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Why Is Playing Bass So Damn Hard?!?

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You all do realize that there are a lot of people that can't afford to take lessons, don't you?
I was in that situation, I was just lucky to be able to "rent" a Series 10 bass from a local shop when I first started. Then I saved up enough money to buy a Barrington Foxxe bass that had been sitting around in the shop for a long time. They kept knocking down the price because it was bubblegum pink and it had a crack in the finish. Go ahead and laugh. Lessons were out of the question, so I taught myself and I got information anywhere that I could. Magazines, televised concerts, and sometimes I'd sit at the music store and watch people play because I wasn't old enough to go to clubs. I wish I would have had the internet and the ability to go to a website and ask questions back then.
So stop badgering someone cuz they don't want to take lessons. Maybe you don't know the whole story.
The OP refuses to take lessons, under any circumstance, for the reasons he posted. These reasons are that he sees them as creativity-limiting, and too rigid, despite never having experienced what a lesson involves.

I think he's given us enough to render an assessment.
 
I would be a hypocrite if I told you to take lessons but I will say that I feel "outclassed" more often than I'd like because I never did. Playing in a band context with players who are better than you can teach you an awful lot, if you keep your eyes and ears open.

I once read an article by Jeff Berlin addressing the lessons issue. He said that his father was a golf nut and played every day...but he never improved so he decided to try a few lessons. After a few lessons, Berlin Sr.'s game began to improve and, after a while, he became a good player. Now, Berlin, Sr. had no intention of becoming a pro golfer but golf was his passion and he discovered that he was able to learn from a lot from an expert. He wanted to be the best he could be.
 
The OP refuses to take lessons, under any circumstance, for the reasons he posted. These reasons are that he sees them as creativity-limiting, and too rigid, despite never having experienced what a lesson involves.

I think he's given us enough to render an assessment.

Heh, living in a city that predominantly plays Indie, Americana, and various "cores" of metal, the focus is often that you need to be self-made as a musician. It's often perceived that lessons make you "fake" as opposed to someone else who is not taking lessons and "keeping it real". Perfect pitch and practicing with a metronome somehow make the music sterile. These local opinions couldn't be further from the truth!!!

When I picked up bass, I didn't really take bass lessons because I assumed I could translate my guitar technique to bass. Not quite the case, although I was fortunate in the sense that my Peavey was quite capable of low action, which made the transition a little easier. When I took some semesters of classical guitar, those left and right hand techniques were very useful. Took a few pointers from a few local bass teachers and progressed at 2-3x the rate I did with my old form. My tone improved greatly AND it was easy to play bass without pain or getting tired so quickly.
 
I highly doubt that this guy so good that after one month of playing guitar he has music store people asking him to do session work. And his comment about making his Fender Strat sound like a Martin acoustic is also unrealistic. No amount of amp tweaking gets those two to sound "exactly" alike.

I may be wrong on this, but unitl Sulu posts YouTube videos of his awesome playing, I reserve the right to be skeptical.

A big +1 on that. Nailing "Mother Nature's Son" after a weekend as a guitar newbie? Nailing a Martin acoustic sound through a Strat?

Sorry...:rollno:
 
All musical instruments are alike in that, to be one of the best in the world requires that you have extraordinary talent and practice every waking hour. And with bass as with any other instrument, the best in the world are absolutely amazing.

The flip side of this coin is, how good do you have to be on an instrument to fulfill the minimal role that instrument must play - even if you're only barely adequate? And my take is, bass is very forgiving in this regard. You can be useful if you do can no more than follow the drummer and play roots and 5ths on downbeats. Furthermore, the low frequency tends to get lost in the mix more easily (if you want it to); the human ear is much better capable of hearing sounds in the vocal (and guitar) range. Even complex highly skilled bass work can easily get lost in a poor mix.

Or phrase it another way: You're putting together a band with a vocalist, lead guitar, keyboard, bass and drums. You're restricted in that ONE of these people has to be only barely adequate. What instrument to you put him on? Most bands would stick him on bass.

(In fact, when the Beatles first got together, they were three guitarists and a drummer. The best guitarist got to be lead guitar, the second best got to be rhythm guitar, and the worst got reassigned to the bass. Another fact: David Gilmour played the bass parts on Pink Floyd recordings, and won top-bassist awards for Roger Waters, something they both joked about. That remarkable bass work on CSN recordings was all done by...Stephen Stills, the guitarist, and dubbed in. Moral: in the Real World, a mediocre guitarist makes a wonderful bassist.

This is to take nothing away from the truly great bassists, of course. Only to say that bass is one of the easiest instruments there is to become minimally competent on. To become GOOD, now, it's like any other instruments, a full-time task for a talented musician.)
 
Nailing "Mother Nature's Son" after a weekend as a guitar newbie?
Nailing a Martin acoustic sound through a Strat?

Sorry...:rollno:
Uhhh, yes to both.

1. I have a great amp - the Fender Princeton Chorus. Tweak it a bit and you can get a beautiful warm almost acoustic sound from an electric Strat.

2. Yes, "Mother Nature's Son" was nailed after only about four days playing guitar. I guess you don't know this, the song "sounds" intricate (finger picking, pull-offs, hammer-ons), but in reality it is basically one friggin' chord throughout the whole song - D. Then an A comes in. Just about everyone on Earth whoever picked up a guitar can learn an open D chord and an A chord in one day. "Mother Nature's Son" was nailed in four days. That doesn't make me a musical genius -- just a guy who wanted to play the song.
 
(In fact, when the Beatles first got together, they were three guitarists and a drummer. The best guitarist got to be lead guitar, the second best got to be rhythm guitar, and the worst got reassigned to the bass.
Dude, it is just the opposite.

Paul the bass player was actually the best guitarist in The Beatles. Listen to his acoustic tunes and his lead playing. The two best guitar solos in Beatle songs - "Taxman" and "Good Morning Good Morning" - were both played by Paul; and the guitar turnaround in "Ticket To Ride" was Paul's. I could give more examples of Paul as the top guitarist in The Beatles. It really wasn't George. Paul is an extraordinary musician who really can play anything well - guitar, piano, bass, drums. And they put him on bass. The group made the right choice.
 
Remember, these guys took "bass lessons" so you are going to have to take it slow for them.

Relax, it's just humor.

Sulu, gifted artist and music critic that he is, doesn't relate to humor (unless perhaps it's in Lithuanian according to an early post).

So, on that note....

Long ago a prosperous industrialist from Kaunas, Mr. Romulas Savickas would sneak away to his hide-away near Druskininkai (before it was known as a vacation spot famous for its springs) for the rest and revitalization he would find in the solitude of the woods and hills, amidst the beautiful lakes.

He had a cozy cabin on the south side of one of the small hills that overlooked one of these lakes and being a man of means he had arranged that it was taken care in his absence and always ready for a hastily planned retreat. The cabin had a huge fireplace and a ready supply of dry, seasoned firewood stacked neatly alongside the house under the protective eaves of a sideporch. He had made the trip to
Druskininkai from Kaunas many times and it was easy for him to leave work a little early in Friday afternoon and, after one train change in Vilnius and another in Pariece, arrive early Saturday morning where a livery would be awaiting him
to take him to the road at the base of the hill that led to his cabin.

One warm spring day in Kaunas, Savickas found himself thinking of the vernal sunlight on the snow on his hill in Druskininkai ...the peace and quiet... and he got up and started for a retreat. By the time he got to Pariece he was beginning to relax. When he finally arrived in Druskininkai he was met at the station by his stand by carriage and driver.
He climbed into the livery next to the driver, Kes Jatautas, and savored the quietness that invigorated him so. As
they approached the road that led to his cabin, Savickas said, "Kes, it's such a lovely day I think I'll have you let me down here and I'll walk the rest of the way."

Nothing in Kaunas mattered now. Clean, fresh air, and bright sunlight over all. The snow showing through the hardwoods and then the change to the black spruces that seemed to be on the march and through which no snow ever showed. He came to a bridge over the river and he leaned over the railing
to see how the melting snows had already begun to swell the current. There was still a strip of ice on each side of the rushing current and Savickas was concerned to see a small boy playing on one of these ice banks. Not too good a place for a child to be, he thought, but then he began philosophizing
about the carefree nature of youth and here was this boy living his (Savickas' ) boyhood dreams! Sad that this boy must grow up and conform, and grab time by the forelock, and be hammered into a man on the clanging anvil of the
workaday world. Savickas sighed as his thoughts wandered and he was grateful for his retreat up on the hill where he could come and renew himself. Where like a small boy, he thought, he could come and play.

Then he was horrified to see the small boy slip and fall into the torrent of black water that separated the remaining ice banks.

In aftertimes, he would try to think how he reasoned himself into action. Savickas had never pictured himself as one to jump to motion, to rise to an occasion. It astonished him that he had not looked around to see if anyone were about, he had not called for help, he had not hesitated in the slightest.. He ran off the bridge, hurdled the snowbanks, grabbed a stick
of some sort , and accurately guessing everything, had been right beside the boy when he popped up from the pool. Savickas snagged the boy with the stick and had him ashore in a twinkling. The whole thing had happened so quickly that the boy was none the worse off except for the intense chill of the snow water. Savickas had scarcely time to look at the boy when he heard somebody call and two men came down over the snowbanks on the run. They said they'd seen the whole thing and that they knew who the boy was, and that they'd take him where he could get warm and dry out. They picked the lad up and carried him away and Savickas stood there by the flowing water by himself, looking at the dark pool and all ashake to think that this happened to him. It was over so soon that it seemed not to have happened at all, and
to calm his doubts he stood looking at the stick still in his hands. Then he sort of shook himself, climbed back up to the road and continued up to his cabin.

There he lighted his fireplace, poured himself a stout measure of strong drink, and made a lamp ready for lighting, because it would soon grow dark. He dilly-dallied with supper for on his mind was the coincidence of being there- if he hadn't gotten down from the buggy to walk the rest of the way
he'd have been far beyond the bridge when the boy fell in. Then he marveled at the spontaneity of his own reactions - he hadn't gone into a panic. He found himself wagging his head as he stood and peeled some potatoes. A second hooker of the intoxicant sufficed and then supper was ready.
Afterwards he sat in the big soft armchair before the fire and tried to relax after his custom which is what he had come to Druskininkai to do. But he could only think of that small boy. It made him something of a hero really. He found himself smiling indulgently at the thought. Perhaps an Imperial Medal?

The fire burned low and he added fuel. Then at last he did doze in his chair.

Somebody was knocking at the door. Somebody must have climbed the hill in the dark. He opened it and a man and a woman were standing there.. "Good Evening" said Savickas.

The woman spoke. "You the man came through Druskininkai this afternoon about half past one, maybe two?"

"Yes, " said Savickas.

"The same as saw a little boy fall in the river?"

"That's right."

"And pulled him out?"

"Yes"

"Well, I'm his mother. This here is his father."

"I'm very happy to make your acquaintance," said Savickas. "Won't you come in?"

"No we just came up to ask. We was wondering if you chanced to notice what become of his mittens?"
 
Uhhh, yes to both.

1. I have a great amp - the Fender Princeton Chorus. Tweak it a bit and you can get a beautiful warm almost acoustic sound from an electric Strat.

2. Yes, "Mother Nature's Son" was nailed after only about four days playing guitar. I guess you don't know this, the song "sounds" intricate (finger picking, pull-offs, hammer-ons), but in reality it is basically one friggin' chord throughout the whole song - D. Then an A comes in. Just about everyone on Earth whoever picked up a guitar can learn an open D chord and an A chord in one day. "Mother Nature's Son" was nailed in four days. That doesn't make me a musical genius -- just a guy who wanted to play the song.

1. Send one to Youtube. Prove it. Plus I see you're now saying "almost acoustic"

2. Uhh, I do know the song, very well in fact. Well enough to know that there is an E in there too. Well enough to know that it's more than just an open D and an open A. Those pull-offs? Hammer-ons? They're not just up in the open chord position.

This is not a tune you can nail as a newbie guitarist over four days. You could play a passable version, strumming, perhaps.
 
I will never take lessons. Never did for guitar, never will for bass.
I will take advice and tips from others, but lessons are school work. Music should be in you, not from a rigid lesson plans.
you may say you wont take a lesson but you will constantly be taking one it might just be a small one like to learn a scale or some theory but you will always be in a lesson you started the day you picked up your bass
 
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