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Why So Few Passive 5'ers?

KevInDaBassment

KevInDaBassment

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Jul 30, 2010
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#1
Boutique aside, the trend with 5'ers seems to lean in the direction of active electronics. We know there isn't some inability for an passive 5'er to be a quality instrument, because there are some in every price range. I wonder why we don't see more passive 5'ers out there, I know I'm certainly interested in one. Kicking around a Peavey Millenium BXP 5'er.

What do you guys think their (builders) logic is in this? Insufficient pickups that need a little "help" from the preamp? Market perception that the preamp makes it "better" or a "professional instrument"? Lack of demand? Preamps making up for lackluster body design that can't produce a good, solid low B note?
 
#3
gregmon79 said:
I think it probably has to do with the low B and the pick ups needing the preamp for the lower frequency. That's just my thought.
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I agree. I have a Fender American Standard Five String Jazz. Beautiful bass but the B was definitely lacking. I was looking to trade it but the guys at the Bass Place talked me into trying something different. Bartolini pick ups and a John East pre-am really brought this beauty to life. The B sounds great and balanced with the other strings.

I would be interested in other people's experience with a passive B.
 
#5
I know it's a bit on the lower end of things, but the B on my Schecter Diamond P5 Custom isn't bad. It took some adjusting, and although it lacks just a little clarity in comparison to the other strings (I may just need a different string gauge), it's pretty damned strong. I use DR Low Riders for their extra stiffness as I sometimes tune down to ADGCF. The stock passive pickups on it are super hot; I usually clip an input (padless) if I have even one of the two volume knobs turned all the way up.
 
#6
I have a custom jazz-ish bass (maybe I should post some pics, can someone direct me where?) with custom wound Aero pickups and Bartolini 5.3 preamp. Preamp has push-pull master volume pot, that switches from active to passive.

Recently, I find myself playing in passive mode all the time. I just don't think Bart is transparent enough. I can hear the discrete lack of details when I go active, as if there is a vail or cloth over the speaker.

So, even though my bass has onboard preamp, I will count it as passive fiver.

I guess the reason why fivers get active it to add to its versatility (which is one of main reasons to go fiver root). Not neccesary - IMHO.

P.S. Having passive/active switch is very usefull, I can set preamp eq one way (i.e. scooped, for slap), than bypass preamp and play passive, and when needed - switch back to preamp preset in a second.
 
#8
I always played my Lakland 55-01 in passive mode. I found it responded better to touch and sat nicer in the mix.

I had a Fender 5 string p bass that was passive and now a Lakland 5 string p bass copy that is also passive. I wanted the passive electronics because I wanted the traditional p bass sound but with the versatility of having the B string for Eb tuning and playing in D.

I'd suspect there are not many active 5s out there because 5s are less popular than 4s. Either manufacturers include the active electronics to justify the higher price of a 5 (and which helps make a profit on a less popular instrument) or the select population looking for a 5 is also the population looking for active instruments...... or perhaps both!
 
#10
Muckaluck said:
or the select population looking for a 5 is also the population looking for active instruments...... or perhaps both!
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I think this, at least with moderately priced instruments. I got into actives, then into 5s - just that "try something new" spirit. The 5er OLP I bought used, perhaps by prejudice although I did try it stock, had the electronics ripped out and activated almost immediately.

A seasoned player who knows what he wants can spec a booteeq, passive 5 but the curious will probably take an active over a passive.
 
#12
Somebody will probably object to my statement but this might have to do with the fact that a lot of 5 string basses are used for heavy metal or for funk music. Active electronics help with cutting through a very high decibel mix in the case of heavy metal and help with low frequency definition in the case of funk/r&B.
 
#15
I just picked up an American Std P5 (my first 5er in about 8 years). It's the only 5er I ever played that felt good in my hands and sounded good to my ears. I always loved the 2-knob simplicity of a P bass and I'm thrilled to add (a great sounding) low B to my passive P-bass playing.
 
#17
My MIM Standard Jazz V is passive and it sounds fine. I rather prefer active basses and I am spending some time with this bass to see if I really want a fiver. If the answer is yes I will put a preamp in it. Now a previous owner had put a pair of somewhat beat up looking Barts in this bass but I can't tell that it sounds any better than my passive MIM Jazz Fretless which is downtuned to the same bottom note as my fiver, a C instead of the traditional B in my case.

Ken
 
#19
sorry to break the mold but a passive 5'er player here, and I'm lovin' it.

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#20
jbrooks said:
I would be interested in other people's experience with a passive B.
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Most of my 5'ers are passive, and I've never had an issue with the B not being loud enough or lacking focus.

I think a big part of it is that the 5 string (with a low B) is a much more recent development in the electric bass world. 4 stringers came first, and they were passive. 5 strings came along near the time you started to see more active electronics, and I think both became associated with the idea of more "modern" basses. Thus the trend where you see mor traditional ideas of the electric bass being passive and 4 string, and the more modern version being active and 5 or more strings. There are exceptions of course, MusicMan being perhaps the most notable, but this trend is very strong.

It also has nothing to do with pickups being able to "pick up" the B string. You can string up any decent P bass with a BEAD tuning and that B will sound just fine. I've done this on many recording projects and it works great.
 

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