Actually, I do, that is why your analogies come off as so horribly weak....very meh
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Why so many P vs. J threads? - the Answer
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Actually, I do, that is why your analogies come off as so horribly weak....very meh
I've got one of each. Granted the jazz is fretless but each is uniquely indispensable in my repertoire.
Godfather said:
'Very meh'?
How can I ever hope to approach your lyrical mastery? I will endeavor to please you in the future, if I don't kill myself first from the shame of having failed to excite your discriminating imagination and lived up to your obvious talent for the well turned yet unexpectedly profound phrase.
Can I kiss your ring now?
... and this is the typical response to any suggestion the P or J are inadequate designs that could stand some improvement. These retorts vary from merely childish, like this one, to outright tantrums and fights.
Fortunately, as I said, Leo Fender himself saw it this way also and went on to make significantly improved versions of his own designs.
The L2K is practically a complete overhaul of the Precision bass; it keeps some of the good stuff (like the dimensions) and fixes the broken stuff like the bridge and the pickups. For example, there's simply no comparison between the G&L MFD humbuckers and the little cheezy P bass split pickups and the G&L bridge is one of the most solid bridge designs available period.
But the sound is pure Fender. Turn on the neck pickup and select parallel mode and you have a P bass sound practically indistinguishable from an original Precision. Whack the switches a few more times, tho, and you can pretty much do whatever you want.
So there's no comparison really. And that's why LF really was a genius IMO. Like I said, to some (like yourself) improvements aren't really improvements and that's ok. But to others, like Leo himself, they are....
LS
Ah SolarMan, its like the M-16 vs AK-47 debates. I dig it. Well put, or more accurately, thank you for reminding of Leo's comments. The logic is inescapable.
And I do prefer the more accurate, yet finiky M-16.
And I do prefer the more accurate, yet finiky M-16.
Not really - more like an appropriate reply to your "real Fender" crappola, in a Fender thread... Of course, in typical troll-like fashion, you turn that around into you somehow being a victim...
Now, since you admit that you're unable to do what literally millions of bassists - from beginner to master - are able to to with ease, which is get a good sound out of a Fender - it's logical to conclude that more woodshedding, and less trolling is in order for you...
- georgestrings
... and, as should be obvious to the reader, on it goes, the focus shifting to Ad Hominum attacks on critics and away from the real issue - the instruments themselves, their problems and how LF improved them.
I've said before an L2K is kind of what I think you'd get if you took your old 60's Precision bass to LF himself if he were still alive and said, here - fix all the broken stuff on it but don't change the dimensions. Well, give us a couple more neck options like a J style, etc...
That's what my L2K is like, minus the frets...
LS
Throw an L-1000E or an L-2000E in the mix and you have the entire Fender geneology
I have hated both virtually my entire life or from the time I was 14 or so. I played anything and everything to stay away from them.
34 years later a Jazz whispered sweet nothings in my ear. The last couple of weeks I have been pining for a P because a P sings sweetly in it's own right.
They're like a fungus I tell ya. A fungus! Double dang you, Leo.
34 years later a Jazz whispered sweet nothings in my ear. The last couple of weeks I have been pining for a P because a P sings sweetly in it's own right.
They're like a fungus I tell ya. A fungus! Double dang you, Leo.
Interesting. I wonder how many people here use a bass with a PJ setup. And I wonder how many use the reverse P and J setup. More importantly, does that setup really give you ' The Best of both worlds ' ?? I'd like to know.
I've been fortunate enough to have and play many basses over the years, but nothing is as satisfying to me as a good Fender Precision or Jazz -- well maybe a nice late 70s Stingray.
If I had the extra money I would build a bass with a P bass body, P pickup middle, J in front of it, and stingray pickup bridge with dpdt switch. I'd have them wired to a seven position switch. Than I could get any sound I wanted.
