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Why Some Musicians Don't Gig

#263
jive1 said:
IMO, if you're in a band that you believe in, you should want to promote it as often as possible. If you have songs, then you should want as many people to hear it as possible. If you are playing shows, you should want as many people to show up as possible.

As to why I do it?
Mainly because I'd like you guys to stop by a show so we can hang and let me buy you a beer.
I also like to keep myself real. I put links in my signature so people can actually see whether I suck or not. So that they can see whether I am actually playing out or not. And whether or not the claims I make here have any substantiation in reality. I like to have my online personality be an extension of my real-world personality, not a substitute for it. Just trying to keep it real........
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Great post and topic of discussion, Jong! Especially keeping it real.

My epenis is just average...

I wish everybody posted some kind of "extension of their real world" here.
 
#264
What exactly is "keeping it real" on TalkBass? Joining the various clubs? Posting your gear? FB, ReverbNation, band website links?

I don't walk up to everyone I meet on the street and say, "I play this gear and I am in these clubs and I am in these five bands and here is how I rock out when I play and..." That would be annoying as hell. Very immodest. Outside of TalkBass (in the real world) those things come up in conversations if the other party shows interest in them.
 
#265
Jarrett said:
I don't walk up to everyone I meet on the street and say, "I play this gear and I am in these clubs and I am in these five bands and here is how I rock out when I play and..." That would be annoying as hell. Very immodest. Outside of TalkBass (in the real world) those things come up in conversations if the other party shows interest in them.
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But this isn't the street. This is the internet, where people come up with imaginary lives, make unsubstantiated claims, and BS without rhyme or reason.

For me, I offer advice on this forum. I always believed the proof is in the pudding. Because I offer advice, I think the prudent thing is to offer the pudding as proof and everyone taking advice should look at the pudding too. I'm not doing it to brag, and if you heard my playing or saw the gigs I'm playing, you'd agree with me. ;) It's there so that people can verify something that I claim or advise on. I do it to make myself accountable, not to show off. That's what I mean by 'keeping it real'.
 
#268
Like anyone else that posts in a forum, I throw my opinion out there free of charge. It's up to the reader to discern what is useable and what is not. I've been accused of not taking TalkBass seriously and its true, hehe. It's just an Internet forum. Full of BS, anonymity and posturing, but every now and then there are some pearls of wisdom thrown out there. The number of links a poster has doesn't help me determine whether the input is BS or not. The information has to stand on its own two feet.
 
#269
jive1 said:
For me, I offer advice on this forum. I always believed the proof is in the pudding. Because I offer advice, I think the prudent thing is to offer the pudding as proof and everyone taking advice should look at the pudding too.
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Not sure what that meant, but I'm getting hungry! ;)

Seriously, though, I like to see what other musicians are thinking about, and it does me good to share my experiences and read those of others.

It's usually pretty obvious which responses come from people with big opinions based on very little objective experience. My $.02, and worth every penny! :smug:
 
#270
jive1 said:
People, in general tend to shy away from criticism. The way I see it, if someone is willing to take the time to listen to what I am doing and offering feedback, I will be thankful because they at least put in some time and effort to listen and comment.

One of the questions I always ask in an interview, whether it's music related or not is "How well do you take criticism?". This is very important to me because no-one is perfect and if you want to grow beyond what you have now is to take some input from the outside.

You can't make an omlette without breaking some eggs.
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That's probably true in general that people hate critique. Being a bit of a Type A personality working in a career field full of Type A's, we're a lot better about taking the free advice that makes us better at our jobs. Nobody likes it, but a lot of us can put our hubris aside and do what it takes to better ourselves, especially if this gives us better odds of a pay raise. ;)

Even though being a musician is a team effort, it seems that most musicians seem to pride themselves on being self-made. Sure, it's hard to guarantee success, but much easier to guarantee failure.

Along with that, compromising seems to be seen as losing a battle and disgraceful. Much easier to fire musicians or quit than to compromise. :hmm:
 
#271
Jarrett said:
What exactly is "keeping it real" on TalkBass? Joining the various clubs? Posting your gear? FB, ReverbNation, band website links?

I don't walk up to everyone I meet on the street and say, "I play this gear and I am in these clubs and I am in these five bands and here is how I rock out when I play and..." That would be annoying as hell. Very immodest. Outside of TalkBass (in the real world) those things come up in conversations if the other party shows interest in them.
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"Keeping it real" is simply being honest about who you are. I don't see what's wrong with that.

We're here for a type of social interaction involving playing music. To have that be only in anonymous written descriptions seems kind of hollow to me. IMO, it's nice to see a picture to have some sense of the person I'm interacting with. If you're talking about your band and you have a website or facebook page or other resource, seeing that adds to your words.

If I'm considering your opinions or advice, yes, some information about your experience, the gear you own, the bands your in, etc. is certainly relevant.

I don't think your analogy of walking up to people on the street and annoyingly foisting irrelevant information about yourself on them is quite the same thing as not misrepresenting yourself on an internet forum.
 
#274
drpepper said:
I don't think your analogy of walking up to people on the street and annoyingly foisting irrelevant information about yourself on them is quite the same thing as not misrepresenting yourself on an internet forum.
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I've read that a few times and can't make any sense of it :)

My point is if you want to keep it real, do what you would do when you talk to someone in person. If you are a walking billboard in real life, then it makes sense to do it here as well.
 
#275
jive1 said:
But this isn't the street. This is the internet, where people come up with imaginary lives, make unsubstantiated claims, and BS without rhyme or reason.

For me, I offer advice on this forum. I always believed the proof is in the pudding. Because I offer advice, I think the prudent thing is to offer the pudding as proof and everyone taking advice should look at the pudding too. I'm not doing it to brag, and if you heard my playing or saw the gigs I'm playing, you'd agree with me. ;) It's there so that people can verify something that I claim or advise on. I do it to make myself accountable, not to show off.
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I think most of these guys are honest.

People are passionate about music so we also see a lot of jealousy here.

Also it's a very diverse group
There are issues here from 14 year olds to 65 year olds.
 
#278
ghostsontheroad said:
I get why older guys don't do it...But it's weird when 23 year olds are sitting around waiting to be signed or being an internet band...
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Not all older guys, as a matter of fact we are at a point in our lives where we have more time for gigging than younger guys starting families
 
#280
Jarrett said:
Like anyone else that posts in a forum, I throw my opinion out there free of charge. It's up to the reader to discern what is useable and what is not. I've been accused of not taking TalkBass seriously and its true, hehe. It's just an Internet forum. Full of BS, anonymity and posturing, but every now and then there are some pearls of wisdom thrown out there. The number of links a poster has doesn't help me determine whether the input is BS or not. The information has to stand on its own two feet.
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Information doesnt stand on its own two feet, though. Otherwise more people would more easily be able to discern what is truth and who's dropping dung.

Its true, this is a forum "Full of BS, anonymity and posturing" and Id rather not add to that. Opinions are like ********, everyone has one, and not everyones opinion should be taken (or given) as fact. Not that all this cant be done without a little humor & wit, one can honest and truthful while still having fun.

drpepper said:
"Keeping it real" is simply being honest about who you are. I don't see what's wrong with that.
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Jarrett said:
My point is if you want to keep it real, do what you would do when you talk to someone in person. If you are a walking billboard in real life, then it makes sense to do it here as well.
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Right, and since we're here talking about bass & band stuff, just like in when Im talking to someone in person, Im going to point to my experience, my bands, etc. to give the info I share some clout.
 

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