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Why the Road Worn hate?

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Tried one in a shop, was knocked out by the tone and playability, and took it home.

This is just a great looking and playing bass.

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This is what's important!!! Looks are in the eye of the beholder. I'm not a big fan of natural finished basses, but my favorite bass to play(at the moment), is my natural Lakland JO. It feels and sounds amazing to me(even with that "ugly" oval bridge:p). Looks are great, but sound comes first.

That said... this is a great thread. The OP asked, "why all the hate...", and he's getting his answers. No need to get offended. Some people like black basses, some white. It don't get more black & white than this thread:bassist:
 
I don't mind the look of some of the roadworn stuff, but I would be more satisfied if I did the wearing part myself.

I also think your own "roadworn" guitar will be unique.

For example, my 7 year old MIM strat is starting to get wear marks on the first 3 frets, because I do a lot of rhythm playing. If I bought it with marks around the higher frets, that wouldn't suit me. Sounds weird, but whatever.

I would never buy a roadworn myself. I don't think they are for people wanting to be rockstars. I think they are people who simply like the worn look, but don't want to wait years before they have it.

Oh yeah, Mojo is a load of bull**** in my eyes. A guitar/bass is a load of wood, plastic, metal and wire. Nothing can change that, no matter who has played it.
 
I dunno... I think those who are strongly against the RW or relic instruments are reading a bit too much into it.

If I see a player using a RW instrument, I don't immediately think "poser" or phoney or "why is he trying to pull one over on me?" It ain't about me... this is HIS chosen instrument, I hope he could not give a hoot about what I think of the instrument, but cares more about what I think of his music.
What you hate in others is a reflection of negative tendencies you supress in yourself.

I might even assume (like myself) that he might HAVE a few real vintage pieces, and likes the look, but takes the easily-replaceable RW's to gig with.

Personally, I like the look of the aged (more nickel than shiny chrome) hardware, and the vintage amber tint necks. I don't like the look of the deathly-pale white wood necks, those just do not have the look I associate with the best Fenders I've had my hands on over the years.

But, I guess I'm also a "poser" because I've only had my '56 P since about 1999, so some OTHER player (or probably a series of players) have the war-wound stories to tell, not me. Oh, well...

I do not fault Fender for realizing the appeal of their vintage instruments any more than I hold it against Levis for ripped jeans, or furniture makers for repro antique "distressed" furniture. I think it's a smart thing to do, I think the "real" vintage market is a travesty ( I cancelled my subscription to Vintage Guitar a couple years ago because it's soooo out of control) and I have owned several vintage pieces over the years because I think they're cool, not because I'm trying to impress anyone else. If you like the look, as I do, but think the real vintage pieces are priced preposterously, a RW is a pretty good deal. The fact that they play well is the real deal-clencher, beyond the distressed paint job.

Play what you like.

You are not a poser because you've only owned your '56 for two decades. You own something AUTHENTIC that has stories before you, earned stories with you, and will pass to someone at sometime for them to add stories to.

I agree, the current vintage market has gotten out of control. Unfortunately most of that is driven by foreigners who have a lot of cash and a ton of people here who don't care about the instruments but know that normally buying that under the bed, never ever been used '56 Strat always increases in value if you hold it even just a year.

It really is an authentic versus fake, my opinion. First, owning the real thing does normally cost you tons more. You have to really desire it, you normally really understand it and its history, and that is part of its value. Like I said, people know the price of everything but the value of nothing.

I usually don't even look, but when I see a band out I can tell if its RW or real if it catches my eye. If its a guy I know who has been on the circuit for ages and he has a RW, I know immediately why he has his. When I see a young kid and its their first bass guitar, I know why he has his too.

There are a lot of posers out there. That is why people buy fake Vitton, Channel, even women who seek out Jimmy Choo shoe fakes. Because they know that someone who sees them in them will attribute to them a different status then if they don't wear them.

I have always just bought basses I like the sound of or have some connection to me. I'm bidding on a bass right now because I want one in my collection of beater players and because I have a connection to it in some way. I will probably get it for under $100. Not worth more then that. My Steinberger Q4s I bought because I have always wanted them and finally they were in my cash range. I have always prized Kubicki's for their feel and sound. Interestingly, I have never run across a Kubicki that was seriously road worn, even those that I know the players!

To each his own. I chimed in on this thread again since I saw a few more postings. Good for Fender if it keeps money coming in. I wish those jobs were here in the US, but as long as it keeps Fender profitable there will always be some US jobs and production.
 
People buy used, vintage because they are used and vintage.

It's kinda like hockey cards. Would you buy an original Gordie Howe 1952 Parkhurst rookie card, even if it's a bit worn? Or would you buy a reprint that's been 'relic-ed'.

Would you buy a 2011 Ford Mustang reissue 1965 or would you rather have the original 1965?

Fender was smart to issue the Road Worn series because they know of the mystique and mojo of original, vintage instruments, not to mention the sound from aged wood. They are highly sought after. If you can't afford $5000 or more, get a $900 version. I think it's great. It's just a style/cosmetic thing - you know, retro! But don't try to pass it off as a true vintage. That's moronic. If you want the real thing, buy the real thing. Collectors and investors buy used, vintage gear trying to get them in 'mint' condition - they don't want the road worn look. But that's a different story.


The price point is a good issue. Some people who want a vintage P or J cant come close to the price tag. Does that mean they are broke losers also aside from the pretentious poseurs they are also being labled as?
Does paying $3-5k for what is percieved as mojo make you a better person, less fake, less pretentious ect...than a person who pays $900 for something that feels, sounds and looks similar? I have owned a killer early 70's Jazz. Yeah it was awsome. But the RW is damn close. Is there a difference between the real thing and the RW....tonally and feel.....sure there is. Most wont argue that. But again, the RW is damn close. Close enough to not want to bother saving for a long time to score a vintage P or J. Then also have to be extra careful not to get it stolen. For me it is anyways and I have no problem justifying expensive stuff i may or may not "need".
I agree that if you are asked by a fan or otherwise how old your RW or other relic'd bass is....and you try to pass it off as real vintage then you are a low life.
Retro clothes from hats down to shoes are cool, retro styled motorcycles, hell, retro or pre worn just about anything is in right now. Thats all good except when it comes to the RW Fender or similar??
Everyone is obviously entitled to their own opinion ofcourse. I am as opinionated and argumentitive as anyone. But some people are just ridiculous with this whole "morality" and "earned wear" thing. .....and a few of you(not trying to start any fights)....I hope you have parachutes on....cause' your soap boxes are at some pretty high altitude and if you fall off you may not live through it.
 
I don't mind the worn look, in fact I think it looks really cool but I would not buy a new guitar that looks like that. Thats just me, no offense to those that do either, I'd like a real warm guitar though, maybe I just need to play more so my gets warn :)

Todd :)
 
The price point is a good issue. Some people who want a vintage P or J cant come close to the price tag. Does that mean they are broke losers also aside from the pretentious poseurs they are also being labled as?
Does paying $3-5k for what is percieved as mojo make you a better person, less fake, less pretentious ect...than a person who pays $900 for something that feels, sounds and looks similar? I have owned a killer early 70's Jazz. Yeah it was awsome. But the RW is damn close. Is there a difference between the real thing and the RW....tonally and feel.....sure there is. Most wont argue that. But again, the RW is damn close. Close enough to not want to bother saving for a long time to score a vintage P or J. Then also have to be extra careful not to get it stolen. For me it is anyways and I have no problem justifying expensive stuff i may or may not "need".
I agree that if you are asked by a fan or otherwise how old your RW or other relic'd bass is....and you try to pass it off as real vintage then you are a low life.
Retro clothes from hats down to shoes are cool, retro styled motorcycles, hell, retro or pre worn just about anything is in right now. Thats all good except when it comes to the RW Fender or similar??
Everyone is obviously entitled to their own opinion ofcourse. I am as opinionated and argumentitive as anyone. But some people are just ridiculous with this whole "morality" and "earned wear" thing. .....and a few of you(not trying to start any fights)....I hope you have parachutes on....cause' your soap boxes are at some pretty high altitude and if you fall off you may not live through it.


I like my soap box. I never say don't buy. One of my favorite basses to play in the local shop is the relic'd Fano.

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Has maybe the most comfortable neck for a new bass I've ever held. It has a little neck dive given it is sort of the non-reverse T-Bird imitator, but it really is a gas to play.

The only people who judge you on your instruments are people like me and most of the people here on TB, those of us who play and care about bass and everything about bass. If I see a kid with the Fano, I already know its a new bass. I also am pretty secure in saying that at least 70% of the reason they own it is because of the look and the "cred" it does bring to them. Its sound is no better, warmer, thicker or livelier then any other bass, so I know its not the sound. The feel, maybe the other 30%.

In the grand scheme of things, my opinion really doesn't matter. But then again, I've never been one to buy something because it looked like or was a copy of something someone else played. Well, with the exception of the Aria Pro II SB 700 I once owned. I really loved the sound and look of it in John Taylor's hands. So, when I went through that phase (think 1982) yes, I was a poser.

As I got older, I came to love the amazing quality of it, and to this day the Aria Pro II MB-I, II and III series pickups are still the quietest, most noiseless pickups I've ever played through. I miss the one I sold to RogerBMiller...
 
I like my soap box. ..

lol, you were actually one of the people i wasnt referring to. There arent even any specific people i had in mind. If they get offended by what i said when they read it then they are the ones it was directed at.
I said it a few pages ago. its about the show for the fans. Other bass players and their opinions can kiss my ***. Last fridays show was in front of 4k people. No one complained that my RW wasnt authentic.(a few asked how old it was cause they thought it looked cool)
Whats funny is that the old authentic relic was sitting right next to it and no one commented.
 
I remember reading an article years ago, where a collector of Cord automobiles was asked about modern kit cars that were designed to look like Cords. He said something to the effect "Those cars are for people who haven't the taste or sophistication to own the real thing". Of course, he was right.
 
When I see this, I see fake wear (the CS Relics and Nashes at least look real) and I'd really prefer Fender sold it as it was before they took the sander to it. .

That would be a great option. I would like it to have them look un-sanded, maybe with a 'thin skin' type of nitro finish that wears a little faster than a standard finish. Come on fender, it's got to be less work to just paint it and not drop your sander and keys on it a dozen times!
 
I remember reading an article years ago, where a collector of Cord automobiles was asked about modern kit cars that were designed to look like Cords. He said something to the effect "Those cars are for people who haven't the taste or sophistication to own the real thing". Of course, he was right.

taste and sophistication = money now? From the looks of some of the pearloid blues nightmares I see on this site, definitely not...
 
OK TR, I will ask you directly. Is someone with a Squier a "poser" or"newbe" ? It looks like a real Fender but it isn't.

I have a very good friend that plays guitar. His resume is very impressive. He leaves is 72 Tele that he has owned from day one and "worn" it down. He uses a RW Tele for his gig guitar so he doesn't have to drag his 72 around. Is he a "Poser"?

If we were talking about "Sparkly" green, pink or any other color bass none of what is in this thread would ever come up.


I like my soap box. I never say don't buy. One of my favorite basses to play in the local shop is the relic'd Fano.

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Has maybe the most comfortable neck for a new bass I've ever held. It has a little neck dive given it is sort of the non-reverse T-Bird imitator, but it really is a gas to play.

The only people who judge you on your instruments are people like me and most of the people here on TB, those of us who play and care about bass and everything about bass. If I see a kid with the Fano, I already know its a new bass. I also am pretty secure in saying that at least 70% of the reason they own it is because of the look and the "cred" it does bring to them. Its sound is no better, warmer, thicker or livelier then any other bass, so I know its not the sound. The feel, maybe the other 30%.

In the grand scheme of things, my opinion really doesn't matter. But then again, I've never been one to buy something because it looked like or was a copy of something someone else played. Well, with the exception of the Aria Pro II SB 700 I once owned. I really loved the sound and look of it in John Taylor's hands. So, when I went through that phase (think 1982) yes, I was a poser.

As I got older, I came to love the amazing quality of it, and to this day the Aria Pro II MB-I, II and III series pickups are still the quietest, most noiseless pickups I've ever played through. I miss the one I sold to RogerBMiller...
 
lol, you were actually one of the people i wasnt referring to. There arent even any specific people i had in mind. If they get offended by what i said when they read it then they are the ones it was directed at.
I said it a few pages ago. its about the show for the fans. Other bass players and their opinions can kiss my ***. Last fridays show was in front of 4k people. No one complained that my RW wasnt authentic.(a few asked how old it was cause they thought it looked cool)
Whats funny is that the old authentic relic was sitting right next to it and no one commented.

In the pix on your website there are only you playing that double humbucker J bass thingy, and it looks kinda new.

I'm sure when you answered you said it was new. And note, they commented on the way it looked, not the way it sounded or something like asked you about the feel.

Older instruments for some reason always look cool to the fans. Especially my old Tiescos...
 
He uses a RW Tele for his gig guitar so he doesn't have to drag his 72 around. Is he a "Poser"?

Yes.



I just can't believe that some people in this thread can't see the absurdity of paying a factory extra money to have a technician put artificial wear marks on a bass. It's like the bankers and lawyers in TX that used to spray WD-40 around the sweat bands of their cowboy hats. That so it would give the appearance that they actually did cowboy work that made them perspire.
 
OK TR, I will ask you directly. Is someone with a Squier a "poser" or"newbe" ? It looks like a real Fender but it isn't.

I have a very good friend that plays guitar. His resume is very impressive. He leaves is 72 Tele that he has owned from day one and "worn" it down. He uses a RW Tele for his gig guitar so he doesn't have to drag his 72 around. Is he a "Poser"?

If we were talking about "Sparkly" green, pink or any other color bass none of what is in this thread would ever come up.

Squier isn't poser. It says Squier on the headstock. Its sold by Fender and is a Fender brand, but its not Fender. Its Squier. If your friend were to have the Squier head stock refinished with a Fender decal, then poser. I'll say newbie.

There are tons of basses today, including SX that all look like "Fender". Some day I'm hoping someone will come up with a budget bass everyone likes but isn't a freakin' j or p bass clone. I miss those old MIJ and Italian basses....

Your friend, more interesting question. I'm happy he prizes his 72 Tele and cares about it enough to protect it from all the drunks and losers. Now, if he is old, like me and he uses the RW, he is not a poser. He would never say its old, and he isn't using it because of the way it looks. He is probably using it because its the closest thing to his real one and he would rather not have his original get any more crowd or venue mojo. I still would personally prefer that he just bought a cheaper new one and used that. When you get as old as me, while you gravitate toward more worn necks, playing something new is not that different and you usually don't care about the difference.

If he is young, I'm 50/50. He owns the real thing, that is a plus. But then I would ask why do you need to have an imitation as your main stage axe? Just get another Tele, like even Bruce Springsteen has, and use that.

The interesting thing in all of this conversation is that many of the famous players use new instruments frequently or augment their playing gear with new. Bruce is a good example. He uses the old Broadcaster a lot, but also uses the new ones almost as much.

For bass players, Bill Wyman used new basses on stage all the time, but still played his old crap bass on the albums. HE had cred. The bass didn't bring him cred.

Unfortunately, in this world, people have become much more materialistic, at least in assigning a status to the person. I never buy a new car. I can afford it, and can afford a quite nice one, but I would rather spend the money on bass gear or a really great trip to London. My choice of late model Honda Accord puts me in the "dad" sort of category. I rented a suped up Mustang last year while my VW was totalled. You would have thought I was a rock star! (Wait, I am, LOL!) I had cougars all over me when I pulled up to shows in that. When I pull up in my Accord, well, I often can slip in without much fuss.

The relic thing will always be somewhat of a discussion among players because of what we all understand a worn instrument is and means.

Look, I don't mean to offend anyone. It is my opinion though. I have always liked and appreciated people who found and instrument they played well and made it their own. If a RW is yours, fine. I still don't have to like it.

And I don't hold it against anyone if all they play is a budget bass. I own both types, and play both. I remember when I couldn't afford a "real bass". That is when I bought my first Hondo Longhorn. I traded it in at We Buy Guitars in NYC in the late 1980's. I should have held on to it.
 
Squier isn't poser. It says Squier on the headstock. Its sold by Fender and is a Fender brand, but its not Fender. Its Squier. If your friend were to have the Squier head stock refinished with a Fender decal, then poser. I'll say newbie.

There are tons of basses today, including SX that all look like "Fender". Some day I'm hoping someone will come up with a budget bass everyone likes but isn't a freakin' j or p bass clone. I miss those old MIJ and Italian basses....

Your friend, more interesting question. I'm happy he prizes his 72 Tele and cares about it enough to protect it from all the drunks and losers. Now, if he is old, like me and he uses the RW, he is not a poser. He would never say its old, and he isn't using it because of the way it looks. He is probably using it because its the closest thing to his real one and he would rather not have his original get any more crowd or venue mojo. I still would personally prefer that he just bought a cheaper new one and used that. When you get as old as me, while you gravitate toward more worn necks, playing something new is not that different and you usually don't care about the difference.

If he is young, I'm 50/50. He owns the real thing, that is a plus. But then I would ask why do you need to have an imitation as your main stage axe? Just get another Tele, like even Bruce Springsteen has, and use that.

The interesting thing in all of this conversation is that many of the famous players use new instruments frequently or augment their playing gear with new. Bruce is a good example. He uses the old Broadcaster a lot, but also uses the new ones almost as much.

For bass players, Bill Wyman used new basses on stage all the time, but still played his old crap bass on the albums. HE had cred. The bass didn't bring him cred.

Unfortunately, in this world, people have become much more materialistic, at least in assigning a status to the person. I never buy a new car. I can afford it, and can afford a quite nice one, but I would rather spend the money on bass gear or a really great trip to London. My choice of late model Honda Accord puts me in the "dad" sort of category. I rented a suped up Mustang last year while my VW was totalled. You would have thought I was a rock star! (Wait, I am, LOL!) I had cougars all over me when I pulled up to shows in that. When I pull up in my Accord, well, I often can slip in without much fuss.

The relic thing will always be somewhat of a discussion among players because of what we all understand a worn instrument is and means.

Look, I don't mean to offend anyone. It is my opinion though. I have always liked and appreciated people who found and instrument they played well and made it their own. If a RW is yours, fine. I still don't have to like it.

And I don't hold it against anyone if all they play is a budget bass. I own both types, and play both. I remember when I couldn't afford a "real bass". That is when I bought my first Hondo Longhorn. I traded it in at We Buy Guitars in NYC in the late 1980's. I should have held on to it.


In your distaste for RW you have blinded yourself to how good these instruments are. He uses it because it plays and feels like his "real" one and he will flat tell you that it sounds better.

As I have said before, IT IS A PAINT JOB!!! I do not own one because I am not a fan of relic basses.I did buy a new RW neck for my Jazz because to me it is the best playing & feeling neck made. I have spent a lot of time playing RW Jazz & P's. I love them. If a RW comes up for sale at a good price I will buy it and have the body repainted nice and glossy with lacquer.

Have you spent any time playing one?
 
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