Just saw Doug Wimbish last night at the Fillmore in NYC. He was playing for Tarja Turunen (formerly of Nightwish). That was about the LOUDEST bass I ever heard in a show. Almost too much, though it sounded great. He was going through two Trace Elliot 410's and two 15's, with two TE heads. Total thunder. I'm sure the heads were the most powerful TE's made. Not bad for going up against keyboards and a guitarist with only 1 full ENGL stack. Like I said, Wimbish sounded AWESOME. Damn it was a pleasure to watch that guy. BTW - that's about the third time I've heard ENGL amps live. If I was a guitarist, I know what I'd buy. Those things pack a punch. Crystal clear and loud as hell.