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Winter 2018 Build Off - 4004CTM

Discussion in 'Luthier's Corner' started by ctmullins, Dec 21, 2017.


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  1. ctmullins

    ctmullins fueled by beer and coconut Gold Supporting Member

    Apr 18, 2008
    MS Gulf Coast
    I'm highly opinionated and extremely self-assured
    It's Walnut Day!!!

    I'll be building a Ric 4004-inspired four-string. I've always liked the 400x shape, and always wanted one in my stable, but haven't gotten around to it until now. With the recent issue of the 4003W and 4003SW, there is a clear precedent too. :)

    This will be based on the 4004, with 4003S-style contours (so not quite as much roundover as a real 4004).

    Neck-thru - Walnut multi-lam with maple accents (either five or seven piece)
    Fretboard - 33" scale Pau Ferro (from LMII)
    Body wings - 1" thick walnut with 0.25" thick quilt maple top
    Finish - probably Tru-Oil
    Electronics - Rickenbacker HB1 pickups, passive, Vol/Tone/Switch, mono
    Hardware - something of good quality

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    :hyper:
     
  2. You doing this as a four or five string?
     
  3. ctmullins

    ctmullins fueled by beer and coconut Gold Supporting Member

    Apr 18, 2008
    MS Gulf Coast
    I'm highly opinionated and extremely self-assured
    This one will be a four. I’ve been vacillating between four, five, and eight, but pretty sure this will be a four.
     
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  4. sing-modulator

    sing-modulator

    Nov 23, 2014
    IL
    Yeah but 8 would be teice as good right?:thumbsup:
     
  5. ctmullins

    ctmullins fueled by beer and coconut Gold Supporting Member

    Apr 18, 2008
    MS Gulf Coast
    I'm highly opinionated and extremely self-assured
    You’re not helping!! ;)
     
  6. Scoops

    Scoops Why do we use base 10 when we only have 8 fingers Supporting Member

    Oct 22, 2013
    Sugar Creek, Wisc
    Yes he is
    :wacky:
     
  7. Eight :hyper: Eight :hyper: Eight :hyper: Eight :hyper: Eight :hyper:
    Eight :hyper: Eight :hyper: Eight :hyper: Eight :hyper: Eight :hyper:
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    Or 4 is good too
     
  8. ctmullins

    ctmullins fueled by beer and coconut Gold Supporting Member

    Apr 18, 2008
    MS Gulf Coast
    I'm highly opinionated and extremely self-assured
    Am I gonna have to build fraternal twins?? :roflmao:
     
  9. Novarocker

    Novarocker

    Oct 12, 2015
    Detroit
    I like this idea, could always cut your teeth on the shape/style with the four and make a second with 8.
     
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  10. mapleglo

    mapleglo Gold Supporting Member

    Sep 7, 2013
    phoenix, az
    I almost did an 8 string for this contest...
     
  11. Scoops

    Scoops Why do we use base 10 when we only have 8 fingers Supporting Member

    Oct 22, 2013
    Sugar Creek, Wisc
    I've never done an 8 for this contest
     
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  12. ctmullins

    ctmullins fueled by beer and coconut Gold Supporting Member

    Apr 18, 2008
    MS Gulf Coast
    I'm highly opinionated and extremely self-assured
    Well, even though Thursday was Walnut Day, I had to work. Friday too. Saturday was prep day for Christmas, and Sunday and Monday were consumed with family. So I’m a bit late out of the gate here. But my Christmas present to myself this year is the entire week off. And today I got to breathe the sweet smell of freshly-cut walnut once again. Ahhhhh...

    Laminates cut and laid out, with clamps and glue at the ready. And, since my wife does have to work today (poor dear), I get to use the kitchen island.

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    Three strips of one-inch thick walnut, accented with two 0.25” maple strips. Nothing fancy, but then Ricks were never exactly fancy, just elegantly functional.

    Glued, with scrap maple as cauls. Didn’t even need all of the clamps!

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    I really hope this neck-thru goes more smoothly than my last. My last was my first, and I thought it was kind of a pain in the arse. I’m hoping this build will be easier.
     
  13. charlie monroe

    charlie monroe Gold Supporting Member

    Feb 14, 2011
    Buffalo, NY
    This may be the first time I have seen a glue up pic with unused clamps.

    Must be nice :D
     
  14. BeeTL

    BeeTL Commercial User

    Sep 26, 2006
    Oldsmar, FL
    Brad Lowe, Lowe Custom Guitars
    Looking forward to it!
     
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  15. Jon Clegg

    Jon Clegg Supporting Member

    Feb 9, 2015
    Northern Virginia
    <snicker> welcome to my world!
     
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  16. ctmullins

    ctmullins fueled by beer and coconut Gold Supporting Member

    Apr 18, 2008
    MS Gulf Coast
    I'm highly opinionated and extremely self-assured
    Out of the clamps and surfaced, and marked for tapering. Plenty of length to work with.

    4004_0131.jpg

    Going with the slimmer specs in the Ric world: 42mm nut width and 50mm string spacing at the bridge. Probably gonna re-use a Hipshot A bridge from another build (that I hate).
     
  17. I'm going with a bolt on, but I've got 3/8" strips of maple. Good to see the 1/4" option!
     
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  18. ctmullins

    ctmullins fueled by beer and coconut Gold Supporting Member

    Apr 18, 2008
    MS Gulf Coast
    I'm highly opinionated and extremely self-assured
    Got the neck tapered and surfaced, where it counts anyway. I don’t have a jointer, so I did this with my trim router and a bearing bit, along with a nice long straightedge. It was very tedious...

    I usually do tilt-back headstocks, and have always done so with scarf joints. But for this build, I’m trying to keep reasonably close to the techniques used by the Ric factory, which means cutting the headstock angle right out of the 1.5” thick neck blank. I’ve seen @mapleglo do this a number of times, with a nice router jig that she made. I decided to do a janky version of that, cutting rails out of scrap plywood, after calculating and marking the right angle.

    4004_0134.jpg

    Clamped them to the neck blank, clamped everything down to the workbench, and began the routing.

    4004_0135.jpg

    Did the inverse on the obverse; didn’t take any pics of that.

    Routed the truss rod channel (just one double-action rod from LMII, so a deviation from the Ric formula).

    4004_0132.jpg

    Tapered the fingerboard and glued it on, again using scrap maple as cauls.

    4004_0133.jpg

    Hopefully tomorrow I can start on the body wings!
     
  19. rojo412

    rojo412 Sit down, Danny... Supporting Member

    Feb 26, 2000
    Cleveland, OH.
    The "straight-edge with a router" technique always serves me well. Since I don't have a table saw capable of a taper cut sled-jig thingee, that's really the only way I could imagine it.
    Looking good! Keep up that fine work.
     
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  20. Don't mind if my thread looks like I'm stealing some things from you. I'm already planning the router thing for the taper... won't have to worry about the headstock angle though, doing a Fender style setback on mine. I feel like I'm behind already :bored:
     
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