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Wireless in the banned frequencies

Bardley said:
It is illegal to sell the banned equipment in the US. It IS the seller's fault. You deserve a full refund. We had to replace over 20 wireless systems at work when the ban came down and it cost us around $16k to do so. Now we have about 15 Sennheiser lav sets waiting to be shipped to our workers overseas. It is illegal for us to sell them otherwise.

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Site the FCC page and get a refund.

Again that is not for personal sales that is just for stores like guitar center. I do agree that the seller should give some refund but maybe not a full refund.
 
Its a shame that on a forum such as Talkbass that you'd have to ask whether the product will work or not. I'd expect that on Ebay or Craigslist. That's like buying an amp that doesn't work and saying "well, you never asked if it worked", you just expect it to work.

If I understand correctly, The unit is fine but uses frequencies which are reserved for other use(r)s.
Not in the least the same as an amp that actually doesn't work.

I still very much hope the money gets refunded and you've now learnt a valuable lesson.
 
So a TB member just sold me a Shure wireless that operates in the banned frequency and I have contacted him about getting a refund but I was wondering....what woulld happen if I used it? Would it even work? How does the FCC know when someone is using a wireless in the 700 hertz range? What would happen to me if I got caught? Just curious while awaiting a response from seller.

Sorry to hijack..but I must ask...

Did you lose lowend or anything from that matter when you use it???

Curious...
 
If I understand correctly, The unit is fine but uses frequencies which are reserved for other use(r)s.
Not in the least the same as an amp that actually doesn't work.

I still very much hope the money gets refunded and you've now learnt a valuable lesson.

Technically, it doesn't work if it picks up interference and is illegal to use in the US. Thanks for you 2 cents though
 
Again that is not for personal sales that is just for stores like guitar center. I do agree that the seller should give some refund but maybe not a full refund.

"We spoke with Matthew Nodine, the FCC’s chief of staff for its wireless telecommunications bureau. He said that the new regulations prohibit anyone from buying or selling wireless mics operating in the 700MHz band. While the ban on the use of 700MHz wireless systems goes into effect June 12, 2010, the ban on sales took effect Jan. 15, 2010. This ban is not limited to manufacturers; anyone reselling a used transmitter that operates in the band is breaking the law. When asked what penalties are levied for a videographer who continues to use his or her 700MHz wireless mic system after the June 12 cutoff, Nodine said these will be handled on a case-by-case basis. If a videographer’s mic interferes with an emergency vehicle and the interference results in a death, it would be considered a very serious case."
 
Basically, the majority of the 700mg band is held for police fire and safety concerns. A small portion of the bandwidth was auctioned to the cell providers.

Yes it is illegal to sell or use a 700mg system. Technically, you are S.O.L. with your investment.

I would not advocate its use, however, working with wireless systems professionally, I do know there are very very very very very few municipalities using the 700mg bandwidth. You actually could be using most of the old 700mg wireless systems out there on a daily, even hourly basis. The nature of the UHF wireless system is that it does not have a long distance capability. Us old timers that had to deal with VHF systems could typically travel 2 times further from the receiver or more than with a UHF. Your wireless could experience cut outs, but it will never be pumpin' bass into an ambulance or squad car. Could it step on and potentially interfere with a critical communication. Possibly. Likely in most areas? Nah. Might you be screwing with somebody's game of Angry Birds or preventing somebody across the bar from you from getting his baseball scores on his Droid? Doubtful.

So, the FCC would have to be very very very very very close to find you. The cell providers will never find you because its not like you are going to be thumping bass notes and jamming them unless they are very very very very very close. In many cases it is a non issue for the unit to function properly. The story of the AKG system going wacky is not completely surprising, this guy lives where it is being used. But I am surprised he couldn't find a clear channel to operate on, I'm guessing he had a fixed freq. model.

I personally have five perfectly great sounding and great working 700mg Audio Technica 7000 series systems. Now of course I would never use these systems because it is illegal. Regardless of how well they seemed to work everywhere they could have been used. It doesn't matter even if you have a scanner app on your droid or ipad, or perhaps a good table top scanner that could be used to locate potential conflicts in the 700mg range. No matter how much research you might do into a local municipalities use of broadcast freq. You are not supposed to use these systems. Even though a 9volt battery is all you need to secure a nights playing in likely 90% of America.

Nice kick in the nuts right? Well in fairness every single manufacturer of professional wireless products offered a buy-back credit towards a new unit for about a year leading up to and past the ban. Everyone who puts in a little reading time to enhance their knowledge of not just their instrument but also live sound and the entertainment industry in general would have caught on to all of this about three years back when it was all over the industry news.

I do know this was no scam by the wireless system makers in anyway. They had all just sunk a fair amount of cash into tooling up for all these 700mg systems because there had been nothing but clear air in that band. They were far more upset that they had to take a great wireless system design with clear air space and go back to fighting for bandwidth in the 400-600mg ranges.

But to recap. Yes they are illegal, the guy needs to give you money back.
 
I opened a case with Paypal and apparently the seller is disputing the claim that he sold me a banned wireless, good thing I also sent Paypal his emails where he admitted he was wrong and the deal should be cancelled and also a link to the page stating he is breaking the law for selling it.