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wood dyes

I've done a search

I'm kicking around the idea of a blue burst on my next project, so what I wanna know is:
what wood dyes do u guys use/have experience with?
flakes or concentrate?
water, alcohol or other soluable?
shelf life?
happy with results?
where do u get it?
where to get it inexpensively?
 
I've done a search

I'm kicking around the idea of a blue burst on my next project, so what I wanna know is:
what wood dyes do u guys use/have experience with?
flakes or concentrate?
water, alcohol or other soluable?
shelf life?
happy with results?
where do u get it?
where to get it inexpensively?

I'd apply black dye, let it dry completely, and re-sand, leaving just enough dye to pop the figure. Then apply the blues(s) of your choosing, followed by a clear coat. For more of a 3-D effect, apply a tinted coat before clear coating. Allow the finish to cure for at least a week, then rub out the finish to the sheen level of your choice.

My favorite dyes are Transtint concentrated aniline dyes from Jeff Jewitt at:
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Transtints are more resistant to fading from UV exposure than any of the other dyes I've tested. Red and blue dyes seem more prone to UV fading than earth/wood tones.

They're versatile:
They're concentrated (makes it easy to experiment with different saturation levels);
They can be diluted with water, denatured alcohol, and lacquer thinner;
They can be used to create a tinted clear coat when added to shellac, lacquer, and water-borne clear coats.

If you're not concerned about UV fading, or your clear coat contains a UV inhibitor, Transfast powdered dyes cost less; water only:
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There's a good video on Fine Woodworking magazine's website that features TBer James Condino applying a green sunburst finish on figured maple using dye and traditional french polishing technique:
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General Finishes pre-mixed water-borne dyes are very good, and you won't have to do any mixing. I haven't tested their fade-resistance yet, but they penetrate well, provide very consistent colors, and don't raise the grain much at all:

http://www.rockler.com/product.cfm?page=21632&filter=general finishes dye

For the best possible results, complete a finishing test piece using the same wood species as the actual project.

If you choose a water-borne dye, you'll usually want to pre-raise the grain with water, let it dry, and sand it back with 400-grit before applying dye; hasn't always been necessary with the GF pre-mixed dyes.

Dye usually looks a little flat and lifeless until the clear coat goes on; to find out exactly what your completed project will look like, make sure to apply clear coat to your test piece. If you select an oil-based clear coat, the color will shift toward amber, providing a warmer appearance than a clear water-borne finish; however, under an oil-baed finish, blues can shift to green; red to orange.

I'd use a transparent, non-yellowing clear coat over blue; clear WB finishes are getting a little better with each passing year.

Good luck with your project! :)
 
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It's a good idea to practice on scrap to get your techniques and color mixing down. A light blue tint that goes on a wood with some yellow tones will leave you with a green bass! I'd suggest taking a look through some of the painter and artist guides available online to give you a better understanding of primary and secondary colors and how they interact.

Lonnybass
 
Hmmm. I don't think there's an accurate connection there.

Organic dyes produce your more vivid colors are are the quickest to break down in UV. Inorganic dyes last the longest in UV but aren't as vivid in color. They are both available in H2​O and EtOH solvents.
 
Hmmm. I don't think there's an accurate connection there.

Organic dyes produce your more vivid colors are are the quickest to break down in UV. Inorganic pigments last the longest in UV but aren't as vivid in color. They are both available in H2​O and EtOH solvents.

I can see what you mean about water base being somewhat more vivid. I did the uv test by placing each type in the sun for a day, and compared them to their respective test subjects, that weren't out in the sun, water was the most noticeable.
 
For a wider selection of colors try Lockwood Dyes, here's some instructions on their use and a source:
http://www.toolsforworkingwood.com/...ode=toolstore&nextpage=/extra/LW-dyeinfo.html

If you order from these guys ask for Jake Marley.

+1 for WD Lockwood dyes. This bass was dyed using Lockwood's "Bright Turquoise" dye. Applied dye, sanded it back, applied it again (to enhance the grain). Finished with nitro lacquer. As viewed under flourescent lighting:

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As viewed in direct sunlight:

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+1 for WD Lockwood dyes. This bass was dyed using Lockwood's "Bright Turquoise" dye. Applied dye, sanded it back, applied it again (to enhance the grain). Finished with nitro lacquer.

As viewed in direct sunlight:

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I'm currently building a quilted maple topped bass and the sunlight view of the bass you posted is the color I REALLY want to apply (looks like some areas of the Great Bahama Bank when viewed from 30,000 feet). I've looked at the Lockwood dye charts mentioned further back in this thread but I don't find "Bright Turquoise." The closest I see is "Peacock Blue Greenish" (http://www.toolsforworkingwood.com/...op&Product_Code=LW-WCON.XX&Category_Code=CLWW). Do you have a different source that uses a different name?
 

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