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Would you/do you submit to drug tests at work?

Would you/do you submit to a drug test?

  • Yes

    Votes: 83 67.5%

  • No

    Votes: 34 27.6%

  • Carrots?

    Votes: 6 4.9%
  • Total voters
    123
  • Poll closed .
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#381
I find the playing the "strawman" card is becoming more and more common.

We need a "Strawman" version of Godins. IE "Godin's Strawman Clause" law. That given enough time someone will throw the "strawman" card on the table in the hopes of derailing an argument they have lost.

You've heard it here first!

spade2you said:
Is a coked out healthcare professional in the operating room a strawman argument? :D
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#382
aborgman said:
How far are you willing to go with what legally amounts to a search?

Police have to get a warrant to take your bodily fluids. Or strip search you. Or get your facebook password.

You're willing to let a potential employer take your bodily fluids. Are you willing to let them inspect your house? Strip search you? Give up your facebook password?

Is there ANY privacy or rights line you won't allow a potential employer to cross?
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But a drug test isn't without the person's consent. They may do it begrudgingly, but they do it, realizing that it's a condition of getting or keeping the job.

Re: how far an employer can go- wherever the person allows them. Some draw a line at a drug test and they probably won't get a lot of good jobs. Most allow a credit check, which is now common. Some will drop their attempt at landing the job as soon as they find out how far the company wants to go. If someone tells me they want passwords and access to personal info, I would decline. That's none of their business, although many think anything they can get away with is OK, until they're caught.

Nice Churchill anecdote, BTW. One of my favorites is the one where a woman at a social event says, "Sir, you're drunk", to which he responds "And you're ugly, but in the morning I shall be sober".
 
#383
I think you've summed that up nicely. Good Job.


two fingers said:
You must not have read ANY of my posts then. I never said I assumed anyone who didn't want a test was even a user, much less at work. All I EVER said was that......

1) What you do on your off time COULD reflect badly on me as your employer. So your social media posts, your credit rating, and your off work activities DO MATTER. That still doesn't mean you don't have the right to participate in drug use, stupid activities that hurt your reputation, or bad debts. You do. However I HAVE the right to find out if you do and not hire you on that basis. Your performance at work IS NOT the only thing that matters.

2) You have the right to smoke all you want. However, I HAVE the right to not hire anyone a choose not to. And if smoking weed (on or off work) is one of the criteria I would choose to deny and applicant, so be it. If I OWN the company, MY RIGHTS TRUMP YOURS within the confines of my business. You have the right to smoke. You have the right to go out and get a job. You DO NOT have the RIGHT to work for me if I choose to not hire on the basis of a drug test.

And I believe that several other posters had the exact same points. Maybe YOUR reading comprehension isn't up to par?

Are we clear yet? Probably not.
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#385
Lowactnsatsfctn said:
Sounds more like a person in need of some serious help to me.:(
And that wasn't in any of my post.


This is funny song about medical marijauna:D
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He did. I thought I was being funny. Perhaps a little hard to convey my dry sense of humor online sometimes. ;)

Nonetheless, my experiences demonstrate why drug tests should be used when indicated in the healthcare setting. I can chuckle about it now, but there was a definite pucker factor during.
 
#387
chadds said:
This has been a most respectful exchange. People feel strongly about it because we are speaking of rights.

I haven't heard/read any condescension here. Just some passion. I'm proud to be here with you all. When we can talk we can learn and at least know that someone has different beliefs and together we stand.

Can we talk about say, instrument cables or wood matters or 4x10 & 1x15 cab mixing and all get banned? ;) :)
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"Rights", you mean to use drugs on one's own time, even though they may be illegal? Employees look at it as an infringement but as has been stated, a person who does this and is affected by it while working, exposes the employer to unimaginable liability. No employee has the right to do this to an employer, regardless of their opinion on the matter. I have seen factory workers getting hammered on their break. These people slammed beer and shots, shoved soem food down their throats and grabbed a six-pack to go, presumably for the rest of the shift. All of them were union "workers" and if the company had suspended or attempted to fire them, I'm sure the union steward would have been there to stand up for the workers' "rights". That's a bunch of crap- workers DO NOT have any right to get drunk on break, especially when they're using the company's facility, machinery and other equipment. They also don't have any right to go to work with a monstrous hangover or even worse, still drunk from the night before. That's called "time theft" and the drop-off in performance is very costly, especially when multiplied by the number of employees who do it. If a company of 50 has 10% of its workers frequently hung over on the job, calling in sick or coming in late, it can be a serious problem. Again, this isn't about rights, it's about someone being a grownup and doing a good job- the job they agreed to do to the best of their ability. This doesn't, however, mean "the best of my ability when I have a hangover or don't feel like working".
 
#388
Why are people using 'argument' as if it's a bad word? Arguing is just stating a set of facts or opinions in a logical and organized manner, not yelling and screaming. The word 'argument' is used in math, as a way of stating details when solving a problem.
 
#391
two fingers said:
Bingo. Your breaking a law regularly and recreationally tells me as much about you as the possibility of your actually being high on the job. If breaking that law is "no big deal", then you might be able to rationalize using my gas card for your car as "no big deal" as well. It's an overall attitude of picking and choosing which laws, or which rules you want to obey. If you'll break the government's rules, you will have no problem whatsoever breaking mine.

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No no no. One of these is breaking a minor law, and the other is theft. Theft is bad, and most people know it. Massive difference. To assert that one would do one or the other interchangeably is silly and weird.

There are quite a few laws that decent, responsible people violate constantly. Think about it.
But those same law-breakers would never steal anything, ever.
 
#392
dmusic148 said:
No no no. One of these is breaking a minor law, and the other is theft. Theft is bad, and most people know it. Massive difference. To assert that one would do one or the other interchangeably is silly and weird.

There are quite a few laws that decent, responsible people violate constantly. Think about it.
But those same law-breakers would never steal anything, ever.
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If I own the business, it's up to me to make that distinction, correct? YOU might "bend a little law" every now and then but draw a hard line at stealing. But you don't speak for every "little law bender" on the planet, do you? Have they made you their leader/spokesperson? How do you know what ANYONE other than you would do? Hey, I'm perfectly willing to admit that I might be wrong about someone when making a hiring decision. But I will choose to err on the side of caution every single time. I have too much to lose. Your rights don't matter a hill of beans to me when it comes to risk management at MY business. That is, unless YOU want to work for 60+ hours a week for several years for very little pay, or just hand over an investment check for six figures. Then your rights just became very important to me, because you will have as much as I do invested in my (now our) business. Welcome aboard partner! Smoke if ya got em!
 
#393
I participate in the random testing program . I like my job , the great pay and beenies .

We also have to test for any accident we are involved in. Whether its our fault or not.

In indiana workers comp can deny in full a claim if you fail a post accident drug test on the basis that you were intoxicated at the time of the accident. Your own insurance will deny it as well because it was work related.

I have to much dear to me to risk it.
 
#399
Some people seem to think that if it's illegal, it's immoral. Illegal does not necessarily mean immoral, and immoral does not necessarily mean illegal. For example, travelling above the posted speed limit is illegal, not immoral. Cheating on your spouse is immoral, not illegal. Additionally, the morality line varies from person to person. Forcing someone to adhere to another's morals is, in itself, immoral.
 
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