Not to mention, the entire economic infrastructure including the Internet. And a fair amount of the research leading to Thiele-Small theory, rare earth magnets, and so forth, was funded by the public sector.
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Would you/do you submit to drug tests at work?
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Not to mention, the entire economic infrastructure including the Internet. And a fair amount of the research leading to Thiele-Small theory, rare earth magnets, and so forth, was funded by the public sector.
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Using tools made available is different than a group of people doing something for you.
Do you credit society entirely for the creation of your HPF?
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I'm not fdeck, but whether those people built them for him directly, or whether the work was "outsourced" in the sense that others performed those tasks outside of his payroll the point is still the same. He was not working from a blank slate. His product would not and could not exist without the contributions of others, and even if it could, he wouldn't be able to market, sell it, or transport it without outside help.
I'm a big fan of self-righteousness too, but even I can see that I'm indebted to a planet full of people for pretty much every aspect of my life.
I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on some points then.
Aside from that, we seemed to have ventured way off topic
Aside from that, we seemed to have ventured way off topic
I have 13 patents. A patent has to contain an "inventive step" that nobody has ever thought of before, in order to be valid. I came up with those inventions, working in a corporate environment that provided me with time and money to try things, intellectually stimulating and supportive colleagues, and so forth. The commercial environment, including competitors, helped direct my work towards something potentially valuable.
My HPF primarily combines "textbook" design elements. That's the nature of most electronic designs. Turning it into a product was suggested to me by fellow TB'ers. I owe a huge amount to the discussions that were occurring on TB at the time, which introduced me to the problem that my design purports to solve.
For the knowledge and skills needed to enable that work, I owe a great deal to my education.
Be that as it may, I created something thanks to a personal background and environment that made it possible. But the inventive steps, while I am proud of them, are just a tiny part of the big picture.
Cool relative to what?
It was not directed to you. I just hate it when people conclude with things like "let's just agree to disagree" or that every opinion is as good as the next. You get the idea.
It was not directed to you. I just hate it when people conclude with things like "let's just agree to disagree" or that every opinion is as good as the next. You get the idea.
I think one reason is that a number of folks have staked out positions using tactics that stonewall further debate, notably the "internet tough guy" stance.
That is a good humble answer.
I didn't intend the question to come off as a cheap shot, just wanted to know if the views were the same when the tables were slightly turned.
We didn't have social Security before we had an income. I'm getting near 60 and I'm not sure we need it now.
Same with highways. There weren't enough cars to justify them.
But yes we had safe food. And the US also purchased Alaska, the Louisiana Purchase, the US Virgin Islands, the Gadson Purchase and I'm sure a couple of other chunks of land pre-income tax.
There is no need for an income tax. It's been declared unconstitutional and the morality of it can be easily questioned.
I think that the Fair Tax would be better for everyone involved and would provide more money. I find it hard to believe it hasn't gotten more support.
Same with highways. There weren't enough cars to justify them.
But yes we had safe food. And the US also purchased Alaska, the Louisiana Purchase, the US Virgin Islands, the Gadson Purchase and I'm sure a couple of other chunks of land pre-income tax.
There is no need for an income tax. It's been declared unconstitutional and the morality of it can be easily questioned.
I think that the Fair Tax would be better for everyone involved and would provide more money. I find it hard to believe it hasn't gotten more support.
It was not directed to you. I just hate it when people conclude with things like "let's just agree to disagree" or that every opinion is as good as the next. You get the idea.
Sometimes you have to stop what you're doing when you're getting no where.
Was that aimed at me?
No lusting after anyone elses money here and as someone in research a huge chunk of that comes from public spending.
"Gave him his education"? You mean people were required to pay taxes and from that, came the money that pays for public schools, right? "Society", if you mean 'governments' pays for things they decide we need, whether we need them, or not. PEOPLE pay for these again, whether they want to, or not. Many people don't agree with a lot of the handouts provided by the government, but they have no say in the matter. Other than leaving the country and denouncing US citizenship, it's impossible to not pay for it, since the US is the only country that taxes its citizens even if they live outside of the country.
You can't assume someone was educated in public schools and many innovations came from people who paid their way through school. Many schools accept donations, but those won't come if the school isn't worthy in some way.
Not unless your starving and you need that job.
Thing is, if they're paying you they call the shots.
If your applying for a job that requires you to take a drug test you either take it or you don't. If you don't take it you don't get the job.
My point, if it's really a job you want and they require you submit to a drug test what you do on your own time could be relevant.
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Yet you see very, very few people doing so, because as much as they dislike the way some of their taxes are spent, there isn't much of a better deal out there to be had.
You're right. I can't assume that everyone was educated in purely public school, but I can assume that the majority of their employees will have spent some time there receiving basic and advanced skills they'll need. I'm not saying our public schools are perfect, but can you imagine the society we'd be living in without compulsory, free education?
I was just thinking, this is the absolute best medium to wage one's own civil rights war against an unnamed or imaginary foe; and will accomplish exactly nothing.
Wow, you guys are still going at it ey? Impressive. Hey, unrepresented, you ever wonder why there are trillions of dollars "sitting on the sidelines" or in "offshore bank accounts"? I have some of both. It's because of the government taxing me to death on profits so they can "provide for me" things I don't want or need. I need roads, a national defense, and (some) regulations on doing business across state lines (which was the intent of the federal government to begin with). Everything else should be a state thing, or something you provide for yourself. I've been poor. I grew up poor. But nobody ever "gave" me a chance. I either earned a chance or created one where there wasn't one.
I get so tired of the hopelessness of younger people these days. "We can't do anything because the rich are robbing us of money, opportunity, and the very will to live" (exaggerated of course) Weakness. That's all it is. By the time my kids get to be grownups, I wonder what ANYONE will be able to do for themselves.
Oy, what a mess. Maybe you guys are hopeless. You want a ton of "rights" but your basic needs (healthcare, retirement, higher education) provided by someone else. Haven't you learned anything? Nothing comes without strings. They aren't going to give you everything you want, and not take away your dignity and/or rights in the process. (Of course, if you are willing to take from someone else, you didn't have any dignity to begin with.) You think I AM the one taking away rights. Ha!
I worry about some of you guys. I could sell you a struck match.
I get so tired of the hopelessness of younger people these days. "We can't do anything because the rich are robbing us of money, opportunity, and the very will to live" (exaggerated of course) Weakness. That's all it is. By the time my kids get to be grownups, I wonder what ANYONE will be able to do for themselves.
Oy, what a mess. Maybe you guys are hopeless. You want a ton of "rights" but your basic needs (healthcare, retirement, higher education) provided by someone else. Haven't you learned anything? Nothing comes without strings. They aren't going to give you everything you want, and not take away your dignity and/or rights in the process. (Of course, if you are willing to take from someone else, you didn't have any dignity to begin with.) You think I AM the one taking away rights. Ha!
I worry about some of you guys. I could sell you a struck match.
Yet it was Greenboy that actually made the cabinets. Right?
And BTW there were hundreds of millions that had the same support form society, maybe more, that aren't contributing anything. It seems that with hundreds of millions of people getting at the least the same level of societal support that Greenboy and oh, Bill Gates got shouldn't they be held to the same level of responsibility as these men?
Shouldn't they be expected to pay back the same as Bill Gates?
And BTW there were hundreds of millions that had the same support form society, maybe more, that aren't contributing anything. It seems that with hundreds of millions of people getting at the least the same level of societal support that Greenboy and oh, Bill Gates got shouldn't they be held to the same level of responsibility as these men?
Shouldn't they be expected to pay back the same as Bill Gates?
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