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Yamaha trb 6 onboard preamp

I have played a lot of TRB 6 string basses, from Pattitucci models to the P series and most of the lesser versions of the signature models. These preamps were interesting. This series had a copy of the original Pattitucci signature preamp, with Volume, Balance, continuously variable Bass and Treble controls, with a 3 position mid switch disguised as a pot. Inside the cavity, there were flywheels that controlled the frequency and function of the 3 positions on the mid switch. One position was flat, one a mid cut, the other a boost of some sort. I never liked the system, even tho John Pattitucci and Nathan East used variations of it in their signature basses. The system was noisy, not completely versatile, and although these are some of my favorite basses I ever owned and played, I would have to say that in my opinion, the electronics could have been greatly improved. I don't think I'd worry getting the original preamp. It would be difficult to source, and I don't think it's as good as what's available today.
 
Hi david ! Thank you for your collaboration.
I know it’s very difficult to find the original pre. Just trying because, when i played many years ago one of these trb , i was impressed by the sound.
I know the market offers many options.

I’m very curious about mike pope preamp or john east. Wich one should be suitable for my trb in your opinion’? My bass has the original pickups
 
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Hi david ! Thank you for your collaboration.
I know it’s very difficult to find the original pre. Just trying because, when i played many years ago one of these trb , i was impressed by the sound.
I know the market offers many options.

I’m very curious about mike pope preamp or john east. Wich one should be suitable for my trb in your opinion’? My bass has the original pickups

I think the pickups were the key to the great sounds out of those basses. If you have those? You'll be fine with any current, relatively colorless preamp on the market. The series you have was my favorite of ALL the TRB series 6ers I played. Those pickups were the key, and were used across Yamaha's 6 string lines for a long time. Aria's Steve Bailey signature 6 string basses used the same pickups, and at the time, both Seymour Duncan Bassline pickup series and Bartolini made pickups in similar shell shape. Duncan's preamps at the time were designed almost exactly like the Yamaha preamp, with a slap contour on a pull switch that acted very much like one of the 3 positions on the Yamaha preamp design. Both had identical treble boost hiss, and I think that the Yamaha and Duncan preamps were related, if not identical, circuits. You could probably find an older Basslines pre for cheap somewhere, but I think by today's standards, you'd be disappointed.

Bartolini make GREAT preamps, with plenty of options for control layout and function. I might go with a Bart pre myself, but today most folk fall on one side of a Love/Hate fence with Bartolini. I love em, many guys do not.

I am not a fan of the John East preamps suggested above. I've used them in several basses, and although they have many, many tonal options, that is an issue for me. Just too much going on, and too long to find a tone I desire, and extremely hard to adjust the same tone nightly. Consistency was difficult to find.

If I had to replace a TRB6 pre today, I would research the EQ points of the original, and look for a preamp with similar center frequencies. There are a TON of great options out there. Aguilar might be a choice for me. They have a 3 band preamp with selectable mid frequencies on a switch, that could probably feel similar to the original, but with longer lasting batteries and headroom enuff to handle the output of the Yamaha pickups, which are quite strong. Audere preamps are probably the least colored of any preamp I've tried, preserving the inherent tone of any bass I've installed them in, so if you love the Yamaha's tone, the Audere will preserve it and add power to any pickup configuration. I love Audere's approach and features. I've also installed a Noll preamp in a Warwick 6 I owned. That was a great preamp, but getting ahold of one may be tough.

Back when your bass was made, on board bass electronics were in an infant stage. Noisy, short battery life, bird's nests of wires or proprietary circuit boards made options very limited compared to today. Today, I don't think there's a bad replacement preamp made. Even less expensive options out there sound great, are easily installed and readily available. If you study just a bit, and decide what functions you want and what EQ points serve the tone you're after best, I don't think you can go wrong today in anything you choose. Having original pickups is key. You've got those, so try a few and see what you like.
 
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I think the pickups were the key to the great sounds out of those basses. If you have those? You'll be fine with any current, relatively colorless preamp on the market. The series you have was my favorite of ALL the TRB series 6ers I played. Those pickups were the key, and were used across Yamaha's 6 string lines for a long time. Aria's Steve Bailey signature 6 string basses used the same pickups, and at the time, both Seymour Duncan Bassline pickup series and Bartolini made pickups in similar shell shape. Duncan's preamps at the time were designed almost exactly like the Yamaha preamp, with a slap contour on a pull switch that acted very much like one of the 3 positions on the Yamaha preamp design. Both had identical treble boost hiss, and I think that the Yamaha and Duncan preamps were related, if not identical, circuits. You could probably find an older Basslines pre for cheap somewhere, but I think by today's standards, you'd be disappointed.

Bartolini make GREAT preamps, with plenty of options for control layout and function. I might go with a Bart pre myself, but today most folk fall on one side of a Love/Hate fence with Bartolini. I love em, many guys do not.

I am not a fan of the John East preamps suggested above. I've used them in several basses, and although they have many, many tonal options, that is an issue for me. Just too much going on, and too long to find a tone I desire, and extremely hard to adjust the same tone nightly. Consistency was difficult to find.

If I had to replace a TRB6 pre today, I would research the EQ points of the original, and look for a preamp with similar center frequencies. There are a TON of great options out there. Aguilar might be a choice for me. They have a 3 band preamp with selectable mid frequencies on a switch, that could probably feel similar to the original, but with longer lasting batteries and headroom enuff to handle the output of the Yamaha pickups, which are quite strong. Audere preamps are probably the least colored of any preamp I've tried, preserving the inherent tone of any bass I've installed them in, so if you love the Yamaha's tone, the Audere will preserve it and add power to any pickup configuration. I love Audere's approach and features. I've also installed a Noll preamp in a Warwick 6 I owned. That was a great preamp, but getting ahold of one may be tough.

Back when your bass was made, on board bass electronics were in an infant stage. Noisy, short battery life, bird's nests of wires or proprietary circuit boards made options very limited compared to today. Today, I don't think there's a bad replacement preamp made. Even less expensive options out there sound great, are easily installed and readily available. If you study just a bit, and decide what functions you want and what EQ points serve the tone you're after best, I don't think you can go wrong today in anything you choose. Having original pickups is key. You've got those, so try a few and see what you like.

i love bartolini’ sound. Just don’t know if a bartolini preamp could match with original yamaha’s pickups. I had once , installed in an old 6 string made by a local luthier and simply sounds great with bartolini candybar too
 
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Not sure because i asked for the original 90 era one

Might not be a bad idea. I checked the website and the new preamp embraces the JP EQ spec's...I would assume the apple doesn't fall far from the tree. I have no idea re: availability. Pose the question (plea!) with pics...Yamaha may be accommodating.

You may also want to post your dilemma here: YAMAHA TRB CLUB

Riis
 
...Just trying because, when i played many years ago one of these trb , i was impressed by the sound.
IMO, on a Yamaha TRB preamp, apart from the EQ points, the part that influence the sound is the input section. There are seperate buffers for each pickup before the blend pot and tone controls. This prevents pickups loading each other and creates a different kind of tone. This might be what you're looking for.
The aforementioned Audere preamp has this option (active mixing=buffered blend).
Also, Bartolini has a dual buffer module. You might combine this module with a single input preamp of your choice.
There is also Noll Mix Pot. Probably there are other buffered blend options and other preamps with pickup buffering.

p.s: I'm not exatly sure about your TRB model but most of the high-end Yamaha basses has this pickup buffers.
 
I’m really impressed in how many people is helping me . I really thank you All

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I'm of the impression this Yamaha 6 is your primary player and pride & joy. I also imagine you'd like sounding better than it ever did before. Some great aftermarket replacements have been suggested...we enjoy spending other people's money!! If the sky is the limit, may I suggest some of the filter-based pre's? Do a search under "Pickups".

Here ya go: Review: Underhill Dual Filter Onboard Preamp

Riis
 
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Unfortunately not the same


Check againSOLD - Yamaha TRB-5 II Pickups and Preamp

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Is it possible to know the manufacture’ year? Theres a serial number in the headstock


Pretty sure that is a 90s era instrument.

This bass has the cut-away on the body. Pretty sure this is a second generation TRB6, as the 1st gen basses had the piezos.

It's not necessarily the same as a TRB6 II, as the manual I found shows no body cut-way. Yamaha Guitar 11391 Users Manual TRB 6II (usermanual.wiki) Looks like spacing for the controls is the same as for your bass.

I believe the TRB JP and TRB JP2 had the cutaway and it looks like spacing for controls matches your bass as well.

I have no idea how accurate this is, but here is a post with a timeline for the evolution of this series: Yamaha TRB history
Pretty sure you need to be a bit more specific as there are various generations of the TRB6 with different preamps. AFAIK the basses made in the 90s were TRB6P. The TRB6P I have has regular bridge and neck pickups. Additionally there is a piezo on each bridge saddle. Controls are Volume, Blend, Bass, Treble, Piezo Blend, Piezo Phase. It has a neck through body.

IMHO, odds of finding the part you want are probably pretty low. I suggest the first step would be to try and find the appropriate service manual, which may have part numbers. Yamaha is probably long out of spares, but knowing the correct P/N will help you avoid wasting time and money buying parts that won't work.

Also, if the bass does not have the original pickups, the original preamp may not be the best choice.


Pretty sure that is a 90s era instrument.

This bass has the cut-away on the body. Pretty sure this is a second generation TRB6, as the 1st gen basses had the piezos.

It's not necessarily the same as a TRB6 II, as the manual I found shows no body cut-way. Yamaha Guitar 11391 Users Manual TRB 6II (usermanual.wiki) Looks like spacing for the controls is the same as for your bass.

I believe the TRB JP and TRB JP2 had the cutaway and it looks like spacing for controls matches your bass as well.

I have no idea how accurate this is, but here is a post with a timeline for the evolution of this series: Yamaha TRB history

Yamaha told me it is an october 1986-1989 instrument because the serial has no letters. Just numbers
 
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