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Double Bass Yamahiko Double Bass Pickup

I just replaced a Lifeline with a single element Yamahiko. I like the Yamahiko better but will keep the lifeline as a backup for sure. In general it sounds clearer and less nasally to my ears.

I'm also a minimalist and I feel like this single element Yamahiko is the most versatile and simple pickup I've found.

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Simple in the sense that it sounds very naturally like my bass with no EQ. It is also very easy to make it sound fat and thumpy or clear and hifi as needed.
 
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I just replaced a Lifeline with a single element Yamahiko. I like the Yamahiko better but will keep the lifeline as a backup for sure. In general it sounds clearer and less nasally to my ears.

I'm also a minimalist and I feel like this single element Yamahiko is the most versatile and simple pickup I've found.

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Simple in the sense that it sounds very naturally like my bass with no EQ. It is also very easy to make it sound fat and thumpy or clear and hifi as needed.
Thanks! Have you done much arco with it?
 
Seems like everyone who has tried both the Lifeline and Yamahiko here prefers the Yamahiko.

I have both and I prefer the Lifeline. Keep in mind you're reading a Yama thread so the opinions may lean a way. Something about the Yama is too articulate for me, like an EUB. I really dislike the sound of fretless bass and the Yama gives me those vibes. That's with Labella 7710n's though and I find the string has a distinct impact on the pickup sound. It's been a while though so heck, I should try the Yama again on a gig :)
 
I'm sure it's in here somewhere but can anyone succinctly recommend a single or double version or highlight the differences?
The yamahikos pricing is modular meaning if you buy one sensor now and a second later, it will be the same amount as buying two now.

However, the yamahiko is sold in Japanese yen and while the prices in ¥ haven't changed since Mike Arnopol essentially brought this pickup to our attention, the conversion to USD fluctuates. For instance I just looked for a student and the single element version is currently $235USD. It was more like $305USD when I bought my last one IIRC.

So technically there could be savings in buying two now but it will be very small.

If you're used to a single pickup right now I would say buy the single element, love it, spend a couple years wondering if you can get a little more greatness from a second element and then splurge with a second sensor and the ability to combine them. Plus then you'll be very familiar with the single element and will know that you can always fall back on that if you go insane with two sensors and knob/switch fiddling.

I personally don't think anyone should just jump right into two sensors and a mixing preamp/amp. I think all this talk of the possibilities with two sensors has detracted from the IMHO "Fact" that the single sensor version is a better piezo pickup than ANYTHING on the market. Two sensors may be able to add something ON TOP of that.

Plus if you have a toddler who HAS to mess with the wire that connects the output jack to the sensor. Simply unthread it from the sensor: open the reusable zipties' tab and VOILA. It looks like your bass doesn't even HAVE a pickup. Just a funky looking adjuster with 4 knubs on it. Let's see a realist or full circle do THAT!
 
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I have both and I prefer the Lifeline. Keep in mind you're reading a Yama thread so the opinions may lean a way. Something about the Yama is too articulate for me, like an EUB. I really dislike the sound of fretless bass and the Yama gives me those vibes. That's with Labella 7710n's though and I find the string has a distinct impact on the pickup sound. It's been a while though so heck, I should try the Yama again on a gig :)
Just curious: Single element or dual? If dual, with the bridging cable?
 
Oh and I'd also like to mention that Mike Arnopol, the person who started all this, was the one who got: two sensors, a second output jack and ran both sensors in parallel into a two channel amp (EA Doubler).

He said that having different gain settings for the sensors (i.e. not 50/50 blend) and tweaking the variable phase between the two (a nifty EA doubler feature that I haven't seen on another amp/preamp until the felix2) was the sweet spot.

Fast forward to some months later and he said he got tired of futzing and having to plug in two cables and he had gone back to using just one sensor most the time. So YMMV
 
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Thanks! Have you done much arco with it?

Hi Eli,
Not really, just a couple swipes, but I can try it out this evening. I will say I've had really good results with the Lifeline for amplified arco and based on the Yamahiko pizzicato amplified I'm expecting the same.
Also as adjusters, they are very high quality, they replaced a nice set of aluminum Pecanic one piece adjusters and I can't hear a difference. Acoustically the arco is no different.
 
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I have both and I prefer the Lifeline. Keep in mind you're reading a Yama thread so the opinions may lean a way. Something about the Yama is too articulate for me, like an EUB. I really dislike the sound of fretless bass and the Yama gives me those vibes. That's with Labella 7710n's though and I find the string has a distinct impact on the pickup sound. It's been a while though so heck, I should try the Yama again on a gig :)

The Lifeline is a good pickup, I bought the Yamahiko when mine failed after many years of great use. I feel the same about the Full Circle. Great pickup with a durability issue, but for the years that it worked, I was happy. Copper Realist before that.

What I will say about the Yamahiko is that's not as plug and play as most or all of those. The classic Realist is the best example of "it sounds how it sounds and it sounds pretty good", but the great advantage of that pickup is that you can plug it directly into a $1,500 boutique acoustic DB amp or a circa 1983 Peavy TKO and it's going to work. Similar to lesser degrees with the other two mentioned.

Conversely, The Stat-B, the Ehrlund, ... other stuff... might get you a better sound, but in my personal experience what I had to go through to manage those pickups through an amp wasn't worth it and because I'm not great at it, I didn't always pull it off to the satisfaction of myself and whoever I was on the gig with. So, I'm more of a plug and play guy.

The Yamahiko as it comes, is a little hot. He will install some type of capacitor or resister in the lead wire that softens that. I didn't go that route, but what I found is:

1) You have to get the input impedance right. If you plug it straight into that 80s Peavy or the GK Backline combo that was in the practice space for me last weekend, it's going to sound more brittle. Optimally for me, so far, a preamp with appropriate input impedance and a HPF completely solves that problem. I do miss going right into the amp and for that matter, any old amp, but it's worth it.

It's not fiddly like the Ehrlund or Stat-B. If you get the impedance right and can filter out the sub-range fundamentals, it's 100% as stable as those others.

2) I've never been great with eq and part of that is because with pickups like the original Realist, eq just doesn't seem to have that big of impact. It does with the Yamahiko. It is hi-fi, there is a lot of information and with a good eq and a little bit of informed twiddling, I can can dial in the sound I want in the room I'm in without being distracted by the process the way that I was with the Stat-B (for example).


Thanks! Have you done much arco with it?

Yes. I'm not taking Paul Chambers or John Claytonesque arco solos, but I use the bow more than ever post pandemic and the Yamahiko in my experience is at least as good as those other pickups. I may not be the best judge, but yes. It's good. Then again, I'm bowing Spircores and think that's okay too, so YMMV.


I actually think that the Yamahiko is kind of the Spirocore of the pickup world. Stable, robust, looks like it's going to outlive cockroaches, but they are both full of sonic information and you have to be ready to deal with that. When I play a bass with dark hybrid strings for example, I'm never sure if my intonation is on or off that day and I feel like if it's off a little bit, I might get away with it. With Spirocores, if you're not in tune, you're going to know and so will everyone else. But, I think they help me play with better intonation as a result. With a copper realist, I can thump away behind a quintet and maybe I'm felt more than heard. With the Yamahiko, it's going to amplify what I'm doing in a pleasant, but very clear way, similar to playing unplugged in a small room with a guitar or piano player with good control of their dynamics.
 
The only advantage the single element had for me to the Realist was I definitely prefer an adjuster piezo to a shim under the bridge. They sounded pretty similar when correctly amplified.

I will make some tests A/B the left and right side piezo and then the blend if anyone actually wants them. It will have to be with the bow because I am letting my finger's rest from a long weekend of playing.
 
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I have noticed the "lopsidedness" on basses with one side. I can see how it might bother some. I used a Full Circle for a few years 'till it died, and was a little bugged by the white wire which I'm sure is a Fishman choice to make it obvious. Any bridge wing is a little ugly too, not to mention the various mic rigs I've seen. If it bugs you, it bugs you. Our instrument is very visible and beautiful. I must admit that one of the reasons I use a Lifeline is it's relatively low profile.
 
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What I meant was that the one side has spikes while the other is smooth (if you opt for the single)

I'm the most neurotic cat I know, but it doesn't bug me at all. I tell you what, though - it certainly is easier to turn and track how much I've turned it. For this reason alone I think they should totally put nodules on the dummy side, fwiw.
 
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What I meant was that the one side has spikes while the other is smooth (if you opt for the single)

Oh. No, that doesn't bother me at all. How is that different from bridge wing pickups, The Realist, The Lifeline? ...

Where can these be found in the states? Who distributes?

Can't be. You have to order from Japan.
 
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