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YouTube Virtuosos (Old Man Rant)

I can't speak for everyone else who makes YouTube videos, but I personally do both. I tour with a lot of pop artists, have an awesome career as a touring musician in LA (Just played to 10,000 people on NYE with a Disney Star in Hershey, PA) and also make YouTube videos when I am in town (and sometimes on the road).

YouTube allows me to express myself in ways that I can't on my usual gigs (like playing solo bass arrangements), and it allows me to connect with and help many bass players around the world.

I love playing live and would never give that up. After all, that's what got me into music. However, YouTube provides an equally rewarding experience and I've gotten emails from people telling me how my videos got them excited about picking up their bass again, or how it inspired them to start playing bass in the first place. This is highly rewarding and motivating to me, and knowing that there are people out there getting value out of my videos pushes me to keep making them and sharing my knowledge with this vast and awesome bass playing community :)

Love your channel. I learned a lot from your gear choice video. Helped me choose my setup.
 
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All mostly BS. I'm in my 40s. I remember people using the phrase "me generation" when I was a little kid in the 70s. In the 80s was the "Pepsi generation", taken from Pepsi commercials and used derisively. Always the older generations talking about "kids these days", and as soon as we grew up we all talk like that now.

Those damn kids and their rock 'n roll! Get off my lawn!

As for youtubers, some of them are sponsored and make decent money from it. If you get lots of subscribers and put out enough content you can do well. Others do it because they like it, same as you like jamming with people or spending money on gear you don't really need. Some of them are gigging musicians who enjoy passing on knowledge, guys like MarloweDK and Scott Devine.

Lots of reasons. There are plenty of TBr's here who like to play at home and don't care for the hassle of being in a band; for those people youtube is a way to entertain people without having to deal with people.

It's not BS at all. There are plenty of documentaries on this. It's not about me being old and bitter either, it's just how things currently are right now. I don't mind it, but I am glad I grew up right before the internet hit.

Watch this for some perspective - Invalid Link Removed

I think youtube is awesome personally. I love to watch product demos and things of that nature. It is customized TV. I was part of youtube marketing via Major labels right when it hit. Everyone knew it would be this big, at the time the question was how to monetize it.
 
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I think the internet is fantastic, far more good than bad and lots of artists feel they have some exposure via internet. The economy is LUCKY it happened to provide new work venues at a time when our manufacturing assets had been sold off (just like the natural gas boom saved the US economy) But it is a Very Fragile technology...how many unreadable hard drives sit in basements? It's one Carrington Event away from being wiped. Any other disturbance to the fragile infrastructure it depends on and it's gone. On NPR recently a story on future archeology said that this may be a archeological dead zone because so much of what happens is preserved in temporary file formats no one will be able to open after they degrade. So as well as internet, print books, make physical art and play music with your neighbors, it's the doing of it that counts. A Super Solar Flare - NASA Science
 
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There's a gamer that made millions last year.... Soooooo
That's not what I meant.
It seems like people keep saying "I know this guy who knows a guy that makes 'pretty good' money from YouTube videos." At some point that sounds like an urban legend if no one can give me a true, real life, example of what someone has actually made from this.

I was a pretty heavy gamers for a long time and the idea of a "professional gamer" always struck me as sort of weird. There are professional competitive eaters too. That doesn't mean it ain't iffy.
 
The record industry pretty much died.
The rest of the music industry is severely injured and trying to hold on.

People just don't value music as much as they used to.
Bars simply don't need live music when people are just as happy with a jukebox or DJ.

Still, that doesn't stop creative people from doing what they love. There will always be music
And as long as there is music, musicians will search for an audience.

My question though...
Is the number of YouTube artists, online lessons and video games that teach you to play guitar
feeding in to the notion that anyone can do it and musicianship is nothing special and not really
worth valuing anymore?

This is kinda how I see it. HD video cameras are going to be considered a normal outboard gear necessity in project studios, if they aren't already.

I seriously think there will be a time when most original music will showcase and live it's life on youtube, and all live music occurring will be covers.

Why pay for music (live or otherwise) that's you're not already sure to enjoy?

As for the question, one can hope that the cream tends to rise to the top. The beautiful thing about the internet and youtube is that anyone can post a video that can be seen by anyone, anywhere, at anytime. The downside is that anyone can post a video that can be seen by anyone, anywhere, at anytime. Democratization is anything but clean and orderly. But what becomes popular does move to the top, often without the help of promotion and third-party funding. Just by crowdsourcing, internet buzz, and viral movement. That can be both a wonderful, beautiful, and scary, awful thing.

Maybe value isn't going down, so much as how are what is valued.

Incredible creations, published by the artists themselves, get seen by millions. But less-than-great videos do, too, particularly when they become a joke, meme, or anything else that gains movement by cyber bullying. It happens rights here on TB.

My kids are youtube generation. They know all the big names (pewdiepie, etc...). The youtuber thing tends to revolve around the themes of reviewing and playing video games with humor, excessive use of the f-bomb, and silly internet memes. There is no scripting - it's all film and edit later. I for one can't stand that crap. But my kids love it - it is their MTV. And my son in particular wants to do that, so much that I have to put the brakes on his "creative endeavors". Simply put, he want to have the benefit of an creating an internet personality, but he doesn't really want to create any content. I don't know where he gets such narcissism (he says, without any hint of irony). Our rule is that his mother and I have to review and approve any game or video that he makes before he publishes it. That, and he has to actually plan something out, and spend time on it. Else, he would just scream and cuss at a camera for 10 seconds, figure out a youtube name for himself, "release" it, and text all of his friends and spend the next 4 hours finding forums to spew on. I'm trying hard to keep him from becoming the next meme target, at least until he's old enough to deal with the consequences on his own. He's into the youtubepoop thing. Google it, but be warned.

This is the new reality.

But there's also a cool challenge in trying to create something "good" with "less", as it were. A music video can be done for next to nothing (see my sig for an example, he plugs shamelessly). I'm not one for posting videos indiscriminately - we've all seen what can happen there. But I do think there can be a punky, DIY ethos to it all. It doesn't have to be glossy. It just has to be DIY-ok, as in "ok, you were able to do that with only this? Cool."
 
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All mostly BS. I'm in my 40s. I remember people using the phrase "me generation" when I was a little kid in the 70s. In the 80s was the "Pepsi generation", taken from Pepsi commercials and used derisively. Always the older generations talking about "kids these days", and as soon as we grew up we all talk like that now.

This. There may be something to the idea that the internet allows narcissists to indulge themselves like never before, but there have always been and will always be narcissists doing their thing. People bag on millennials like they invented selfishness and shallow thinking, but I can point to any generation and show you that pattern, manifesting itself just a bit differently every time. Hippies get a lot of mileage out of the "counterculture/protest" thing, but that really only was the beginning. After that there were all kinds of "me too"s that swamped it with self-absorbed bastardizations of what it was (or never was, depending on who you ask). Many of those kids grew up and basically became selfish dolts who offloaded their societal responsibilities yet again onto younger generations, because post-war US economics made it possible. I'm a borderline millennial. If you ask me, some of the most selfish people alive are aging Boomers who lived large due to an economic fluke and now think they own the world and deserve far more than they actually earned. Comparatively, millennials think they deserve...a job...because they went to college...which is what all those Boomers told them was supposed to happen...

The point is, it's perspective. I'm not saying I'm 100% right about Boomers being somehow objectively more selfish and narcissistic, but they do seem awfully hypocritical to me sometimes, conveniently disregarding a lot of their own generations lesser qualities.
 
"Are these people just anti-social?"
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I resemble this remark. Compromise is way over-rated. There is no "I" in Team, but there is an "ME". Technological advances has allowed solitary people (loners, hermits, social outcast) like me, to make music without having to put up the opinions, criticisms, mood-swings and/or tantrums of others. This is also why I like social media and especially txt (as opposed to human interaction or talking on the phone). Interaction without physicality... PERFECT!!!... for some of us it works.

Also, the creative process through interacting with machines is fun. It may take me hours to just come up with a drum line or search for just the right sound on my synthesizer, loop it, synch it, play bass lines over it. At the moment I'm teaching myself to play piano, and I realized in the process I'm inadvertently learning chords. So much fun, and I'm doing it on MY TIME.

I just don't like depending on others, and I am a wee bit selfish. Introverted? Yes I am... I'm cool with that. I am not a team player and I don't like team sports. As you can probably guess by now, I don't get along well with others. Friendships generally last about 3 months tops. I have a knack for pissing people off. I don't mean to it just happens naturally.

I go outside whenever I need groceries (and I always use the self check-out).

I hope this clears things up for ya.

I totally understand this. As a general rule I don't go to any shows except my own. Luckily bands don't have the stupid jock mentality that went along with "team sports", which is really what put me off about them. I'm terrible with authority figures as well, so the whole "obey the coach" thing didn't for for me either.
If you are lucky a band is like a couple of buddies. Its not always easy to find that, so I can also understand what people don't want to put up with it.
Even though I'm not a super personable guy, but the shared emotional experience of people all enjoying music they love together is still a draw for me. If a person doesn't want that connection, why bother publishing music online?
 
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I've been following this guy recently: Invalid Link Removed

He seems to be doing what it takes to make an income. He's garnering followers, getting endorsements, etc. More power to him.

It also seems that he's diversified his income base or someone out there sounds remarkably just like him . . . ;-)

And, FWIW, Invalid Link Removed seems to be generating even better numbers.
 
I don't think this is the case, but I do think it can be an inspiration for others to follow. I was encouraged to upload videos to Youtube by someone that was doing it and I learned a lot in the process. Learning to record is a process in and of itself. Having the confidence to put yourself out there is scary. I found that by knowing that I'm going to upload a YT vid makes me pratice more to get it as right as I can because you want to do the best you can. Creativity comes in many forms and can hit you at any time.

Gregg Johnson


Yeah, the internet is great for musicians. But for the rest of the masses that (used to) listen to music, buy albums, and admire artists for their talent., ...what about them? When they see millions of people doing it, entire albums available for free at the click of a button and the talent to do so easily purchased via a $40 video game and a $100 squier guitar... (not true, I know, but thats the impression they get) Why should they care about music any more than a kid who is jumping rope?
 
This is one of those places where the devil is the details. She's a performing artist. Is that 2.5 million from YouTube or just what she made over all in 2015.
And, of course, source please.

You keep asking people to prove to you that others are making money on You Tube, and keep ignoring the posts, with links, showing people making money on You Tube. Why don't you just Google it yourself, takes about 30 seconds, then you'll know what practically everyone else already knows.
 
I haven't seen much here on the point that being on YouTube is somehow anti social. I think it's the opposite in a lot of ways. You are connecting with (hopefully) a ton of people through comments, an offshoot website, product or service, FB or through exposure for a band, real life events, books etc etc. That is the definition of connecting to people. To do it effectively you have to be social.

In ye olden days you had to be at an event in one place and one time and this was not a gaurentee that a fan could actually interact with anyone in a band.

So compare the social aspect of being in a room with bandmates vs connecting with 100s or 1000s of fans that can find your channel and interact at anytime from whereever they are.

Not anti social.

Yeah...but..."connecting with" only applies sort of generally in YT case. You aren't really "connecting" with most of these people. YT comments are widely regarded as the lowest form of communication, and unless you form real relationships with other YT people like calling them and doing collab videos, it's a pretty shallow form of communication and connection. Confusing internet relationships for IRL relationships can lead to some pretty classic social disorders I think. It's pretty clear to everyone now that things like FB are curated lives, not real avenues of interaction. You're constructing and participating in a facsimile of life, not actual messy life with the same level of social risk and reward.
 
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People keep saying that, but I still haven't seen numbers posted. What is the breakdown? What sort of numbers are we talking about?

Sorry, don't have numbers, but it wouldn't take much to beat what you can make playing originals in front of a handful of peole for tips. This is about as far as the majority of originals musicians get around here.
 
Yeah, the internet is great for musicians. But for the rest of the masses that (used to) listen to music, buy albums, and admire artists for their talent., ...what about them? When they see millions of people doing it, entire albums available for free at the click of a button and the talent to do so easily purchased via a $40 video game and a $100 squier guitar... (not true, I know, but thats the impression they get) Why should they care about music any more than a kid who is jumping rope?

Because music that is liked by the masses is easy to make, always has been. The difference today is that the gatekeepers (recording industry) are being bypassed so it's getting increasingly difficult for them to charge more for music than it's worth. Before the internet they purposely kept music hard to get in order to charge higher prices and they'd feed you a line of BS to make you think you were getting something really special; but you weren't and today's music scene is proving that.

More artists, and more music is being enjoyed by more people than ever before and this is a bad thing?