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Zero weekends to learn 20+ songs?

Yeah, This is sort of what I was thinking in the back of my head. I'm new to this game, and from what he told me on the phone, it sounds it's a pretty competitive gig.

He sent me the list today. Most of it is not so bad, the easier pop punk songs. But he's put some Sublime and Uptown Funk on the list, so I'm thinking he wants to make sure I've got the chops :bassist:.

I think I'll start with a couple easy ones, but make sure I can nail the harder stuff, and then add a few (hopefully all)more easy ones on at the end.

Either way, I'm not somebody who makes myself a problem in band situations, so I'm happy to give this a go :cool:. especially since both responses were both "Chill out!"


it sounds to me like you'll be alright :)
 
Exactly this.
You should have spoke up for yourself and told him I will learn 3-5 and we can go from there.
It's a red flag but I agree with others as it may not be a deal killer if it's what you want.

It depends. If they have a gig coming very soon, it makes sense to ask for a larger volume (it also makes sense to help them by sending them the material in time, of course ;))
If the gig is good, I would be as accommodating as possible and just do what I can, without going crazy. Only after you know you like the band and they know they like you you discuss details.
 
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Weird, maybe even really rude, but none of the "red flags" matter if you go to audition and they accept you based on whatever amount of stuff that you have ready. Just see what happens. Hopefully they know they didn't live up to their end so far.

If they give you grief about song shortage despite their dropping the ball and leaving you hanging then it would be time to walk. Or if they reject you, just accept it knowing that it's them, not you.

Right - the sense in which the red flags matter is if this is a band the OP would WANT to join. If their communication and organization is this bad with auditioning, are they that bad with everything else?

It depends. If they have a gig coming very soon, it makes sense to ask for a larger volume (it also makes sense to help them by sending them the material in time, of course ;))
If the gig is good, I would be as accommodating as possible and just do what I can, without going crazy. Only after you know you like the band and they know they like you you discuss details.

I've known bands where the "audition" was basically to show up at a gig and play a set with them live. That's clearly expecting a whole other level from the prospective. But I would expect a band doing that to communicate it pretty clearly so the auditioner could jump right in. Doesn't sound like the case here.
 
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Red flags a plenty here...tread carefully. I had a guy with a part time country band get ahold of me a few weeks ago. He wanted to know if I could do some dates he booked his group for this summer.
I said send me a setlist and the dates and I can tell you more. I never got either from him then he disappeared on my email for a week.

Just the other day he sends a pushy email wanting to know if I was still committed and doing the shows. I again said where are the dates and setlist? He then replied asking me to drive one hour to where he lives to just "talk about" the band.
Ummm..No! I told him to get lost.
Craigslist Killer!!!!!
 
It's pretty common in cover land to get a 40 to 60 song set list a week or two before the gig. Guys just assume you know 30 of em already. Most of the favorites are pretty easy. In your case, OP, I would learn as many as you can, and explain at the audition that you didn't get the set list.
 
So, I'll start with the background. I have an extra rig lying around and just bought some licenses for Guitar Pro for myself and my bandmates to provide an arena we can write and collaborate on outside of formal practices. I've been interested in joining a cover band for that side income/experience that comes from playing a long set list/learning a whole lot of material to expand my musical knowledge.

I got in touch with a working band that fits my schedule. About 3 gigs a month, decent pay, established in all the right places. Had a brief conversation with the BL last week after he sent me an example setlist, and he explained that the band all have lives outside the band, he doesn't expect it to be a primary income type gig... A lot of stuff I agree with. I asked him when I could audition, and he asked if I could come in on that friday (it was wednesday afternoon), I told him I'd need more time because I had to learn the material. I asked him to give me a list of 7-8 songs that I could audition with and see if I fit in with the band, feeling confident that I could nail 40 minutes of material. He responded with 'Ok, I'll choose 15 songs'. Ok, whatever, I'll learn as many of them as I can and bring what I'm confident with.

Then the weekend comes. I put myself in a woodshop mindset. And I never get a response from him with any songs.

Finally, on Sunday night, he emails me asking if I could come in this Friday and asks me what songs I knew from the list he originally gave me. I sent him back a shortlist of the songs I've picked up here and there. He told me he would get back to me with the list he wants for Friday.

And now it's Monday, with no response yet. My last email to him was asking to differentiate which artist's versions he was using (all of the titles on the list he gave me were shorthand, and the song 'Good' could be literally anything). At the end of the email, I told him if I didn't hear back from him with a list, I would work on the first set only.

Already feeling a little bit disrespected. The BL seemed very excited when we talked because I am younger (28) and the only people who've been contacting him are older guys and he wants to keep the band on the lower 30s side. He says it's a band where everyone has a professional life, but now he expects me to woodshop during my work week where between work, gym, and commuting, I only have about 2-3 hours a day to practice. Again, do-able for 7-8 songs, but 15-20?

I set up an out for myself when I talked to him, saying I would confirm everything on Wednesday, so they wouldn't be sitting on their thumbs waiting for a Craigslist bassist who wasn't going to show up (based on my own experience with CL tryouts) but I also want a reason to expand my repertoire and make a couple bucks while doing it.

Are these already red flags or am I being too self-centered?

TLDR: I asked for at least a weekend to learn material for an audition, because of my work schedule. BL agrees and then doesn't supply material to learn. Now in the week of the audition, still no material has been provided.
Good- is usually the Better Than Ezra version. And its your new best friend because you can learn the whole song in 5 minutes!
Yeah, overall this guy is a flake. Plenty of them out there.
 
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but do you tell someone you're going to get back to them and then just not?

Definitely not. I find that offensive when people do that to me. At the same time, I'm trying to mitigate the OP's opening angst directed to the BL to cut him some slack in this early stage. Not to let an isolated indiscretion on the part of the BL to prompt him to quit what could be a good situation.
 
Definitely not. I find that offensive when people do that to me. At the same time, I'm trying to mitigate the OP's opening angst directed to the BL to cut him some slack in this early stage. Not to let an isolated indiscretion on the part of the BL to prompt him to quit what could be a good situation.

it's not an isolated incident as the BL has done it twice already, telling the OP on two different occasions that he would get back to him and than not doing so.
 
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To be honest, I like it more too. :laugh:

Woodshed implies being sent off someplace so nobody will be annoyed having to listen to you. Woodshop implies a place where craftsmanship is practiced and perfected. :woot:

So let's officially make it: woodshop. :thumbsup:

It can be another TB exclusive! :cool::smug:

I like it, but for some of our friends here, it might be metal shop.
 
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it's not an isolated incident as the BL has done it twice already, telling the OP on two different occasions that he would get back to him and than not doing so.

While the BL behavior is not acceptable, if the OP gets ticked off and just quits, starts ranting at the BL, or otherwise comes across as a PITA, he's not getting off on the right foot with the BL, notwithstanding the BL's deficiencies. The BL needs to shape up too, but I'd tread cautiously and see how the first audition goes after the OP meets with the BL. that's all. I'm not excusing his behavior.

It's up to the OP, if he's really upset about this (and it would bother me too), he could just quit. But the fact that this BL has gigs and a decent band, based on the OP's comments, tells me perhaps something is going on in this BL's life.
 
I've known bands where the "audition" was basically to show up at a gig and play a set with them live. That's clearly expecting a whole other level from the prospective. But I would expect a band doing that to communicate it pretty clearly so the auditioner could jump right in. Doesn't sound like the case here.

I once met a guy at an acoustic jam that tried to pull this on me. The weird part was that we never even discussed forming a project together. He just contacted me to see if i wanted to play an open mic with him as an "audition." I asked him what songs he plays and he simply said "eclectic mix." Needless to say i didn't even respond and never contacted him again.
 

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