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Zoom B3 As Preamp Part 2

I set my effects as Andreas : I let each patch with a total level at 100 and set every individual at the level I want (unity or higher if I want it to boost my signal). It's simple and effective.

Unity level is not always simple. If you use and relatively transparent effect in term of eq, you'll be able to set it easily by ear or with a level meter, but if you use effects that have some impact on the eq it's more easy to make a pre-adjustment at home and then check during a rehearsal with the other guys playing.
You can easily be tricked by some effects who increase the level of the highs (as a lot of drives for example). At home you tend to focuse on these highs because you can hear them easily. So you have to listen too to the lower frequencies and hear if you always have the good amount of bass when you turn on an effect.

Another thing is that you don't want every effects to be at unity level. If you know that you'll use one in a very noisy song it can be interesting to push its level.

And finally, it's more easy not to choose too much effects to test with your band. Like that you can really try them and understand how their settings work.
At the beginning, with my B3, I made almost 10 or 15 different patches and I spent all my rehearsals tweaking with generally bad results.
I have since simplified my approach by using a very limited number of patches with choosen effects, as if I only had at disposal a few pedals. And my tone is way better because I know what I do :)
It's a bit frustrating but more efficient (there are so many effects + you can combine them : you could spend a whole life to be able to masterise everything!!)
 
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Of course everyone may have to find their own way how to come to grips with the many options devices like the B3 offer today. But for me I needed to somehow remind me to be very methodical, very disciplined in stubbornly setting every single effect's level at unity, remember not that of the patch. That's for one thing, level. Actual differences in sound then really become hearable and at least the overwhelming diversity of options is at least constrained in terms of loudness/level.

Now there remains of course still a similarly overwhelming diversity of effects. And indeed what may sound good listened to by headphones may sound awful next day when played in a band. There I don't know what to recommend. I have experimented a lot and found slowly but steadily my patches I do not only like to play when practicing alone, but which I actually like to play in my current band. I learned to trust them since I know from experience that they sound good live on stage. This is a slow process requiring patience.

Perhaps a good way is to start from a small set of patches from which you hope they might be good on stage. Then try them out during rehearsal with the band. Be critical and throw out ruthlessly any patch that does not convince you pretty right away to sound really well. This way you can focus on just a few patches as sort of your personal foundation. Tweak and refine those (or throw some out again) till you are really fully satisfied with those few you consider to be your foundation.

Then, despite having already a solid foundation, I continued building from there. This means I stay always open for new ideas and try out regularly one or two additional new patches by just adding them to my foundation. If I like them, they stay with me, otherwise I go back to the original set, nothing to lose, at best to gain something. Sometimes, say I throw those additional patches after testing out, I may nevertheless have been able to gain some new insights on how to even further improve some of the patches in my current foundation. I have been working and continue working on my current set of patches in this manner and I am quite happy with this approach.

Enjoy!

Andreas flf
 
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@ticol07: I will be using the B3 mostly for amp simulation and I'm not a heavy effect user but, I'm taking notes... Thanks!!

@andreas_flf: A really good amount of advices in that last post, it's evident that you have past your straggle. I definitely going to take the patience recipe and slowly start cooking from there. Thanks to give me some peace of mind and a track to follow.
 
I have had the zoom b3 for about two months and used it with my GK RB 700-ll, GK NEO 410, and GK NEO 115 and it just seemed that I was not able to capture the true effects or tones from the B3 whether I went through the FX loop route or from the bass into the B3 then into the amp. I tried changing all the button options for post/pre, active/ passive and still nothing improved. So...

I decided to give a power amp a shot, in which I got a Peavey IPR2 2000 DSP and let me tell you....WOW, did the B3 sound absolutely incredible! I was getting full effect of tones and modulations / effects. Unbelievable sound and response, I'm like a little giddy kid all over again with this rig. I still need to dial all the patches I will be using and consistent levels but am in awe in why this is so different now.

My question is, was not getting the full effect on the GK compared to the power amp a result of going through a bass head that is somewhat voiced vs going through a poweramp that is fairly transparent? The Peavey IPR2 can be EQ'd but I have it set flat.

Thanks for any responses as to why.
 
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I'm a late comer to this thread, but as they say.... better late than never!!

CharlieC - a big thank you for sharing your wisdom and clever tips on the B3. The info you have shared has completely reinvigorated my interest in this pedal!!

I have owned the pedal for a few years and it was pretty much relegated to being my audio interface for home recordings. I have recently set up a pedalboard of 'analogue' pedals too for live use. But after reading this thread, my focus for live gigs for now will be using the B3 into the effects return of either my Streamliner or Shuttle 9.2!

I spent some time in the weekend going through sounds with the B3 through the effects return of my Streamliner and into a Berg HT112. I had a set of patches for live use and a set of patches for studio use - the only difference between live and studio being the live had no cab simulation and the studio had full cab simulation. I had a SVT patch, a Fliptop patch and a Bman patch, each with the 160 comp at the front, then the Bass BB to add tubiness and finally the amp sim. I tried the live patches first with the tweeter on my Berg off and later the studio patches with the Berg tweeter on full. I ended up preferring the latter after some subtle tweaks to eq in some of the amp sims. After getting tones I was really happy with, and my preferred level of tubiness from the Bass BB, I moved on to a 'Jaco' patch using the 160 comp, the Acoustic 360 amp sim and a chorus effect, as well as a Marcus Miller patch for that sweet slap tone of his. I have also set up a couple of fun octave sounds and a wah patch too. It was a very fun afternoon exploring sounds!

I have a Berg EX112 cab that I pair with the HT112 for louder gigs and I want to run the zoom patches through that set up too as the two cabs together add a fair bit of bass to the tone. I suspect I'll end up with one set of patches for a 1 speaker setup and another slightly tweaked set for a 2 speaker setup. But that's pretty easy to do with this pedal.

So again, a big shout out to you CharlieC and everyone else who has contributed to this thread and for all the great ideas you have shared. Just wish I had more gigs coming up to give the B3 a run on!!
 
I'm a late comer to this thread, but as they say.... better late than never!!

CharlieC - a big thank you for sharing your wisdom and clever tips on the B3. The info you have shared has completely reinvigorated my interest in this pedal!!

I have owned the pedal for a few years and it was pretty much relegated to being my audio interface for home recordings. I have recently set up a pedalboard of 'analogue' pedals too for live use. But after reading this thread, my focus for live gigs for now will be using the B3 into the effects return of either my Streamliner or Shuttle 9.2!

I spent some time in the weekend going through sounds with the B3 through the effects return of my Streamliner and into a Berg HT112. I had a set of patches for live use and a set of patches for studio use - the only difference between live and studio being the live had no cab simulation and the studio had full cab simulation. I had a SVT patch, a Fliptop patch and a Bman patch, each with the 160 comp at the front, then the Bass BB to add tubiness and finally the amp sim. I tried the live patches first with the tweeter on my Berg off and later the studio patches with the Berg tweeter on full. I ended up preferring the latter after some subtle tweaks to eq in some of the amp sims. After getting tones I was really happy with, and my preferred level of tubiness from the Bass BB, I moved on to a 'Jaco' patch using the 160 comp, the Acoustic 360 amp sim and a chorus effect, as well as a Marcus Miller patch for that sweet slap tone of his. I have also set up a couple of fun octave sounds and a wah patch too. It was a very fun afternoon exploring sounds!

I have a Berg EX112 cab that I pair with the HT112 for louder gigs and I want to run the zoom patches through that set up too as the two cabs together add a fair bit of bass to the tone. I suspect I'll end up with one set of patches for a 1 speaker setup and another slightly tweaked set for a 2 speaker setup. But that's pretty easy to do with this pedal.

So again, a big shout out to you CharlieC and everyone else who has contributed to this thread and for all the great ideas you have shared. Just wish I had more gigs coming up to give the B3 a run on!!

... all of that, plus a built-in tuner ;)

Cheers!
 
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I bought my B3 a few months ago and these threads have been really useful as I've been crafting my tone.

I'm borrowing a Mackie SRM 450 (the original, not the V2), and I'm thrilled with the results. I'm starting a new band, but I live 2 hours away from the others. We're an experimental/post rock group so we all spend a lot of time on creating custom tones for every song. Clean, dirty, punchy, smooth, aggressive or soft... I need to be able to do it all. With the B3 and powered monitor I can craft my tones at home, and easily load up and run to practice and have the same sound. I can carry everything by myself, and the B3 provides seemingly endless tonal possibilities.

For clean tones I tend to forgo amp models altogether. I start with a compressor to even out levels, then use the graphic EQ to shape my tone with drastic boosts and cuts at various frequencies. My main bass has a lot of midrange growl, so I often cut those out completely when I want a super heavy clean tone. On the third slot I put either distortion or chorus with the balance really low so I can punch in just a little extra character on certain parts of the song.

But I do very little stomping on the pedals within a patch. With all of the patch slots available, I typically have 2-3 patches for each song and switch between those during the song. That is one of my favorite parts of the B3. I use 2 basses, and switching between them always required tweaking all my knobs due to their very different sound characteristics. Back when I used a standalone RAT pedal, I was drastically changing settings for every song. Now I just have to switch to the appropriate patch for the song/instrument and I'm ready to go!

The Mackie monitor does seem to have a little trouble keeping up when things get really loud, so I may look into an EV ZLX-12P at a later time. But I think powered speakers may be my bass amps from now on.
 
I had some free time today and I've been wanting to try to get an acceptable sound out of my mini PA with the zoom. Hoping to go rigless at the next gig, a pool party at the local country club. We'll use the drummer's qsc kw118 and k12's as mains and my k10's for monitors. So I set up half my mini PA in the backyard at casa de nutdog and played around.

Here is the Ibanez SR600 -> zoom B3 -> mackie dl1608 mixer -> EV zxa1sub and qsc k10.

Everything on the mixer and speakers are flat (no eq). Channel gain was hitting yellow on mixer, both channel and main fader were at unity.

The zoom was global level 110, patch level 100, all eq at 0 (12 0'clock), gain 48 (almost 12), ultra off, cab orig, mix 100, out from the DI set to post.

The bass pre eq was all flat, blend even.

Recorded with zoom q3hd, mic gain low.

Not a bad sound, IMO, especially considering it's not a real bass rig and it's only one 12, one 10 and a horn. Changing the pick ups and bass eq has a noticeable effect as well.

Obligatory disclaimer: I was just piddling up and down the fret board, not trying to be particularly musical.:unsure:

 
I had some free time today and I've been wanting to try to get an acceptable sound out of my mini PA with the zoom. Hoping to go rigless at the next gig, a pool party at the local country club. We'll use the drummer's qsc kw118 and k12's as mains and my k10's for monitors. So I set up half my mini PA in the backyard at casa de nutdog and played around.

Here is the Ibanez SR600 -> zoom B3 -> mackie dl1608 mixer -> EV zxa1sub and qsc k10.

Everything on the mixer and speakers are flat (no eq). Channel gain was hitting yellow on mixer, both channel and main fader were at unity.

The zoom was global level 110, patch level 100, all eq at 0 (12 0'clock), gain 48 (almost 12), ultra off, cab orig, mix 100, out from the DI set to post.

The bass pre eq was all flat, blend even.

Recorded with zoom q3hd, mic gain low.

Not a bad sound, IMO, especially considering it's not a real bass rig and it's only one 12, one 10 and a horn. Changing the pick ups and bass eq has a noticeable effect as well.

Obligatory disclaimer: I was just piddling up and down the fret board, not trying to be particularly musical.:unsure:



Very nice sound,and it is a "real rig" to my ears.:thumbsup: .Deep bass and crisp highs.

I record a demo of the Myung's Solar groove in my PC,using only the SVT amp model and listening my Behringer B2031A Truth audio monitors,in my office desktop table,in front of my PC.What you can listen in the video is the same what i hear.The drum loop is from B3 also.
This is my new main practice place,with real nice sounds and comfortable position.I don't use my "practice room" and rig anymore.The B3 change everything in my musical experience.I can play bass everywhere if i want to,and i have always one bass and the B3 near me.
This increase my practice/playing time a lot.

The bass eq and pickup selector in my Bass is flat,and i have only a slide eq in the SVT model.Enjoy .


I search every demo of the song in the youtube and i found that mine sounds nicer even Myung itself :) .Thanks Zoom..
 
I'm not quite sure shich thread to post this in, but I wanted opinions from the B3 guru's, as to whether I am missing something.

I am thinking of doing the mod to add the external pedal for controlling play/patch up/patch down/tap. I was looking at parts from various manufacturers to build this, and basially it works out at around 30-40 euros for the parts.

On Thomann they have a simple 2 button switch for 12 euros:

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It comes with a cable and stereo jack intalled. I am thinking of getting 2 of these and removing the connectors, to wire them to 1 connector into the B3.

This is the link to the pedal: Invalid Link Removed

Will this work, or am I mising something?
 
I'm not quite sure shich thread to post this in, but I wanted opinions from the B3 guru's, as to whether I am missing something.

I am thinking of doing the mod to add the external pedal for controlling play/patch up/patch down/tap. I was looking at parts from various manufacturers to build this, and basially it works out at around 30-40 euros for the parts.

On Thomann they have a simple 2 button switch for 12 euros:

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It comes with a cable and stereo jack intalled. I am thinking of getting 2 of these and removing the connectors, to wire them to 1 connector into the B3.

This is the link to the pedal: http://www.talkbass.com/threads/zoom-b3-patch-mod.1077518/

Will this work, or am I mising something?
I am not a guru,but i can tell that the switch box can work.It's little expensive tho.
The correct thread is here : http://www.talkbass.com/threads/zoom-b3-patch-mod.1077518/
 
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Hey folks

I've got a B3 that I've been mainly using as a practice tool. I've got it plugged into a small mixer via the balanced out connector for headphone practice and playing along to records.

I recently bought a G&L M-2000 and the output from this bass is really hot. Much, much hotter than any of my other basses. My mixer is clipping because the signal is way too loud, even with all of the effects on the B3 off.

I'm a bit of a dunce at these things, whats the best way to adjust things? Turn down the gain on the mixer channel? Turn down the global B3 level? Turn down the patch level? If it makes any difference I'd like to use the same settings when I plug into an amp or DI straight to the PA.
 
Hey folks

I've got a B3 that I've been mainly using as a practice tool. I've got it plugged into a small mixer via the balanced out connector for headphone practice and playing along to records.

I recently bought a G&L M-2000 and the output from this bass is really hot. Much, much hotter than any of my other basses. My mixer is clipping because the signal is way too loud, even with all of the effects on the B3 off.

I'm a bit of a dunce at these things, whats the best way to adjust things? Turn down the gain on the mixer channel? Turn down the global B3 level? Turn down the patch level? If it makes any difference I'd like to use the same settings when I plug into an amp or DI straight to the PA.

Global is the best place to decrease the overall volume, because it will apply to every patch you use. I set mine between 90 and 100.
 
I have another quick question for the B3 experts... (I have tried searching the thread but failed :rollno:)

I am on a new musical adventure with a producer friend, where we will be performing live using Ableton Live synced accross 2 machines. He has on PC running Live and controlling beats, sounds, certain melodies etc. running through a soundcard into our main mixer.

I am running a second PC, also with Ableton, using the B3 as the soundcard, and preamp for my bass. I also use a 2 octave keyboard and a tablet (set up as a controller) to add melodies etc. My vocals (due to the lack of mic input on the B3) run to his PC, so he controls effects, delays etc.

We are currently putting all this together and here is my question...

Is there any way to choose if the effects are pre or post USB? In other words, choose whether the effect (mainly amp sims) are added on the send to the DAW or on the return?

Thanks, as always, for any help.
 
Very nice sound,and it is a "real rig" to my ears.:thumbsup: .Deep bass and crisp highs.

I record a demo of the Myung's Solar groove in my PC,using only the SVT amp model and listening my Behringer B2031A Truth audio monitors,in my office desktop table,in front of my PC.What you can listen in the video is the same what i hear.The drum loop is from B3 also.
This is my new main practice place,with real nice sounds and comfortable position.I don't use my "practice room" and rig anymore.The B3 change everything in my musical experience.I can play bass everywhere if i want to,and i have always one bass and the B3 near me.
This increase my practice/playing time a lot.

The bass eq and pickup selector in my Bass is flat,and i have only a slide eq in the SVT model.Enjoy .


I search every demo of the song in the youtube and i found that mine sounds nicer even Myung itself :) .Thanks Zoom..

Sounds great my friend! I'm huge John Myung/ Dream Theater fan. I actually had several of the RBX6JM's and the RBXJM2's. I just couldn't get used to six strings! I met John in 2004 in Quebec. He was a very nice guy. Completely down to earth.
Take Care,
Brent
 
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