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Zoom MS-60B+ (a compact B2-Four?)

#41
GotGroove said:
I'm considering somewhat the same setup. My idea is to create a few solid clean base tones with the 60B+, which should sound similar to my B6, to take with me if I need something small, but instead of a B1-4 I'll use my B6 for the additional looper/drum machine as well as to give my B6 room to create more complex patches. Not having to waste slots and DSP on a base tone in the B6 itself leaves me with quite a bit of extra DSP to play with. Gaining almost double the DSP for less than half the cost (and less than half the size) of a B6 is really a no-brainer for me.
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Do you also have a B1-4? I'm very interested in hearing whether B6 and B2-4 users are finding the additional DSP on their multis is a definite step up in "sound" from the B1-4?

One aspect that might be noticeable is that some of my effects patches on my B1-4 are quite noisy, but I deal with that by using the ZNR (noise gate) sim as standard across most of my patches. If the ZNR is not needed on the B2-4 and B6 then that, in itself, is a good sign!
 
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Al Krow said:
Do you also have a B1-4? I'm very interested in hearing whether B6 and B2-4 users are finding the additional DSP on their multis is a definite step up in "sound" from the B1-4?
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I do not. When the B1-4 came out I had no desire for additional effects. I went from the old 506 to an RP-1 before I went back to the good old bass->amp chain around 2005. I tried a few along the way, but never found them to my liking. It wasn't until last year when the itch for something more returned and I went looking for a new multi again. I was kinda shocked by how good the B6 sounded and just went for it.

Al Krow said:
One aspect that might be noticeable is that some of my effects patches on my B1-4 are quite noisy, but I deal with that by using the ZNR (noise gate) sim as standard across most of my patches. If the ZNR is not needed on the B2-4 and B6 then that, in itself, is a good sign!
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So far I haven't needed the ZNR. I don't really use high gain drives so I may not be the right person to ask. I do play metal in 1 band, but there I leave the real drives to the guitars and focus on the low end. I do use the synth section (with mild drives at best) and I haven't needed the ZNR there either. @jimfist might be more knowledgeable on that subject since he creates more complex patches. But for my purposes, the B6 is quiet as the proverbial grave until I pluck a string.
 
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#43
Al Krow said:
Do you also have a B1-4? I'm very interested in hearing whether B6 and B2-4 users are finding the additional DSP on their multis is a definite step up in "sound" from the B1-4?

One aspect that might be noticeable is that some of my effects patches on my B1-4 are quite noisy, but I deal with that by using the ZNR (noise gate) sim as standard across most of my patches. If the ZNR is not needed on the B2-4 and B6 then that, in itself, is a good sign!
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I've never had unusual noise problems with any Zoom devices. If you want to know what the noise floor sounds like for various model combinations, especially amps with gain and dirt pedals, create your patch and then unplug the inputs and outputs. A lot of models of amps and pedals can include the noisy artifacts, for better or worse. Sometimes it's unavoidable in order to faithfully recreate a model algorithm.

Naturally, when I start adding distortion to the signal chain, it gets noisier, and I'll use a gate/noise reduction if it's too audible. Usually in live performance it's negligible either way.
 
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Al Krow said:
Do you also have a B1-4? I'm very interested in hearing whether B6 and B2-4 users are finding the additional DSP on their multis is a definite step up in "sound" from the B1-4?

One aspect that might be noticeable is that some of my effects patches on my B1-4 are quite noisy, ...
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I only played a B1-Four for a couple hours; so my comparisons are not scientific or A/B'ed.

B2-Four has more neutral low-end, but not a dramatic difference.
B2-Four has snappier compressor modules that work well for slap, B1-Four's weren't quick enough.
B2-Four is not silent, noise-wise, it has its own noise- at the A to D, but I'm going to guess that it is quieter than the B1-Four. For slightly overdriven tones, the B2-Four can get by without ZNR, but for hard distortion, ZNR is needed.

B2-Four has excellent dynamic response, frequency range, and low latency-- and feels like a pro signal path. Most factory presets are boomy/muddy in my ears/system, easily fixed with EQ on the amp model.
 
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GotGroove said:
I'm considering somewhat the same setup. My idea is to create a few solid clean base tones with the 60B+, which should sound similar to my B6, to take with me if I need something small, but instead of a B1-4 I'll use my B6 for the additional looper/drum machine as well as to give my B6 room to create more complex patches. Not having to waste slots and DSP on a base tone in the B6 itself leaves me with quite a bit of extra DSP to play with. Gaining almost double the DSP for less than half the cost (and less than half the size) of a B6 is really a no-brainer for me.
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I did the very same thing only with older Zoom tech, B1on and B1xon together. Using the B1on for my base Bass Amp sound and then run B1xon for my effects and wah/volume pedal stuff into that.

I did that back a few years ago lamenting the lower effects slot count on the then-new B1 Four. Foolishly thinking they would upgrade that in some later update. Instead they released the B6, B2 Four, and now, the MS-60B+

:)

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I have the B3, B1 FOUR (two of these), and the B6. To be honest, I've been gravitating toward the smaller footprint of the B1 FOUR lately for gigs/practices.

Looking forward to the 60B+ with great interest - might be just the ticket if the processor is better than my FOUR. Plus, I see it has a few effects from my B6.

Not sure how I feel about the Scroll & Memory blocks around the main footswitch. Might be a little clunky to navigate - but still, interested.

My biggest concern is not being able to see ALL the effects in the chain at once like I can on the B1 FOUR, unless there is a main window view that I am not aware of yet.

In the new Zoom tutorial, I only ever see 1 effect at a time in the display window. I hope there's also an expanded chain-view.
 
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cashews said:
Any first impressions?
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the Amps and Cabs sound great.

very happy with the 6 slots and form factor.

excellent build quality.

just scratching the surface.

this and the MS-70CDR+ would be fantastic.

as i mentioned in the other Zoom thread, live - i may use this with a ToneX ONE.

happier with this than the B2-Four i had.

packing up the B3 for a quick sale.

:)
 
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Zoot H Rollo said:
the Amps and Cabs sound great.

very happy with the 6 slots and form factor.

excellent build quality.

just scratching the surface.

this and the MS-70CDR+ would be fantastic.

as i mentioned in the other Zoom thread, live - i may use this with a ToneX ONE.

happier with this than the B2-Four i had.

packing up the B3 for a quick sale.

:)
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How is it going from one patch to another?
 

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