help required chosing a fEARful design

[vbchaos]

While looking around for another cab I was wondering... Why the heck another 4x10? I play my ibanez SR605 through the Traynor YBA-300 and through an Ashdown ABM410. Of course the ashdown was, among others, a budget choice (but it sounds great also to my ears).
Sometimes I play a Wet-Dry set up using my old TraceElliot head and an old GallienKrueger 115 cab for some strange effect stuff. But using 2 different amps and two different cabs looks stupid - also, it is too heavy and bulky - our rehearsal room is an old cold-war bunker and the stairs are terrible So, I thought, why not building a fEARful cab? They are smaller and lighter and easier stackable (as far as I understood now). But after reading so many nice reviews and do-it-yourself tips and tricks I wonder which of all the available designs to pick? The website states something like " in the end it doesn't matter" which is impressingly unhelpful ;-)
What I thought of was a cab that can run a bar-gig on its own but can be extended when stages become bigger. I have a (newly) fable for 12" speakers, so I thought of the 12/6 design or the 1212. But to be honest, I have no idea what would match my needs best. All I know is that I damn want to try one of these babes because I figured out that from my fingers to the output of my head, the sound is exactly what I looked for so long. And of cause, a band called FEARIUM should use fEARful cabs ;-)

I hope that some people can help me out. Thanks in advance

PS: I do not place the heads on my cabs but have them dry and safe in an own rack behind the speakers. So the size of the cabs do not have to match the heads

 

[CL400Peavey]

If I was going to be building fEARful cabs based around two 3012LF's I would be looking at two 12/6's with the Alphalite mid drivers.

 

[JMac- Wiskerface Designs]

I went from a 412, to a 2-15 loaded with Faital pros (king of 15's-IMO). I now have a fearful 15/6, that does the job that those cabs did and then some, with a smaller pack space/footprint. In hindsight, I acquired all the goodies to build a 15-Sub to go with it, but at this point I doubt that I would ever need it. All that said, I'm gonna go ahead and build the 15-Sub, just for the sake of doing it (to have a stupid loud rig, if the situation ever arrived that I needed it).

IMO- I cant speak for the 12/6 from personal experience, but a 15/6 would spank any commercially available 410 that I know of and sound way better on stage while doing it.

 

[BurningSkies]

I went from a 412, to a 2-15 loaded with Faital pros (king of 15's-IMO). I now have a fearful 15/6, that does the job that those cabs did and then some, with a smaller pack space/footprint. In hindsight, I acquired all the goodies to build a 15-Sub to go with it, but at this point I doubt that I would ever need it. All that said, I'm gonna go ahead and build the 15-Sub, just for the sake of doing it (to have a stupid loud rig, if the situation ever arrived that I needed it).

IMO- I cant speak for the 12/6 from personal experience, but a 15/6 would spank any commercially available 410 that I know of and sound way better on stage while doing it.

Build the 15sub. Really. The 15/6 can beat the crap out of most stage cabs, but having two 3015LF's on stage is a whole 'nuther level. A few weeks ago we had a short set at a medium sized theater, and I thought I'd save myself the load in by bringing only one cab. It was plenty to be heard on a loud/large stage, but it didn't have the feel and fun of having both. 30 seconds into our set I knew I should have brought both.

 

[CL400Peavey]

Build the 15sub. Really. The 15/6 can beat the crap out of most stage cabs, but having two 3015LF's on stage is a whole 'nuther level. A few weeks ago we had a short set at a medium sized theater, and I thought I'd save myself the load in by bringing only one cab. It was plenty to be heard on a loud/large stage, but it didn't have the feel and fun of having both. 30 seconds into our set I knew I should have brought both.

I actually had a conversation with Mr. Green today that touched on this. The low end coupling of the dual woofer designs is something that, once you get used to, you never want to be with out.

The reason I suggested the two 12/6's with alphalite mids, is that this is the cheapest route to get into a dual woofer fEARful design while still having the versatility of two stand alone cabs.

 

[Primakurtz]

I can only add that I love my 1212/6. I can carry it in one hand, and it works for almost any situation.

 

[rpsands]

I would suggest a 12/6 cube and a 15/6 if you're building yourself. Start with the 12/6 cube. It's cheap and will get you a feel for the design. If you want more volume build a 15/6 or another 12/6 cube depending on how much more volume

 

[vbchaos]

I can only add that I love my 1212/6. I can carry it in one hand, and it works for almost any situation.

a double 12" with one hand? niiiiiice!!

My biggest concern up to now is getting the volume in case I really need it. My 4x10 may not be the sound-king but I can blow the windows out of the bar if I really need to.
I thought of the 12/6 design myself. Can I combine it with a 15/6 afterwards in a stack like you mention (mixed speakers n stuff)??? Or to ask more generally: Are all fearful designs combinable?
What I understand also (up to now) is that eg the 15 or 1212 designs are subs and not full range speakers, right? So, there use is "only" of an additional character, I guess.

 

[wcriley]

I've been using a pair of 12/6 (Alpha) boxes for two years. Before I built the second one I easily got by with just one for bar gigs (with 450 available watts). I agree with what's been said above about there being an advantage to having 2 woofers hitting you. It "feels" and sounds better to me, which is why I bring both boxes even when I know I really only need one.

 

[BurningSkies]

a double 12" with one hand? niiiiiice!!

My biggest concern up to now is getting the volume in case I really need it. My 4x10 may not be the sound-king but I can blow the windows out of the bar if I really need to.
I thought of the 12/6 design myself. Can I combine it with a 15/6 afterwards in a stack like you mention (mixed speakers n stuff)??? Or to ask more generally: Are all fearful designs combinable?
What I understand also (up to now) is that eg the 15 or 1212 designs are subs and not full range speakers, right? So, there use is "only" of an additional character, I guess.

The only 'sub' designs are the ones with sub in the title (15sub, etc) The fEARfuls are designed to be sound-coherent when the different 12 & 15 designs are used together, so you CAN combine a 12 and a 15 cab if you wish. There are specific models that stack more easily than others, as has been commented previously. Your best bet is to sign up for an account on the fEARful/Greenboy Designs message board and bang out some of the details there, given the number of experienced users as well as builders and, of course Greenboy himself.

 

[JMac- Wiskerface Designs]

Build the 15sub. Really. The 15/6 can beat the crap out of most stage cabs, but having two 3015LF's on stage is a whole 'nuther level. A few weeks ago we had a short set at a medium sized theater, and I thought I'd save myself the load in by bringing only one cab. It was plenty to be heard on a loud/large stage, but it didn't have the feel and fun of having both. 30 seconds into our set I knew I should have brought both.

Cool . Once the gigs slow down a bit for the holidays and I get one last home improvement project done (maybe sometime next month), I shall proceed with making some sawdust. For now though, I am over the top happy with the single 15/6. I'm four gigs deep with this cab so far, and it has sounded great and gotten compliments from other players on every occasion.

 

[jeff7bass]

Definitely consider the 1212/6/1. When I first saw it I was like, “there’s the perfect cab!”.
I’ve read nothing but great things about it here.

 

[vbchaos]

Definitely consider the 1212/6/1. When I first saw it I was like, “there’s the perfect cab!”.
I’ve read nothing but great things about it here.

I do, I really do... I am just afraid that it will be too bulky again... I will calculate a bit.. 12/6 with a 12 sub.. Seems like a perfect stack for me. Without tweeter, I do not use them anyhow


AAAAAH, when will you start using the metric system over there? Gallons, inches... You still meassure time by counting 21,22,23??

 

[CL400Peavey]

I do, I really do... I am just afraid that it will be too bulky again... I will calculate a bit.. 12/6 with a 12 sub.. Seems like a perfect stack for me. Without tweeter, I do not use them anyhow


AAAAAH, when will you start using the metric system over there? Gallons, inches... You still meassure time by counting 21,22,23??

I think metric cut sheets are listed somehwere.

If you are pairing a 12/6 with a 12sub you should use the 18sound mid driver. The reason I recommended the dual 12/6's with alphalite mids is you have two stand alone cabs, with no additional pack spack. The two alpha's are going to cost you about half of what that single 18sound driver does. So it would be cheaper to go with the two 12/6's.

 

[cableguy]

Fearium sounds like a metal band so I would think you need some volume. Not knowing how many watts your head puts out I think a 15/6 would be a good place to start. It will get louder than a 12/6 for a lower wattage head. The 2X12's would be great if you had the watts. And (2) cabs would be great if you want to run a wet/dry set-up still.

 

[vbchaos]

Fearium sounds like a metal band so I would think you need some volume. Not knowing how many watts your head puts out I think a 15/6 would be a good place to start. It will get louder than a 12/6 for a lower wattage head. The 2X12's would be great if you had the watts. And (2) cabs would be great if you want to run a wet/dry set-up still.

The traynor yba300 is a 300w alltube head @ 2/4 ohms

All your answers sound sweet in my ears - what to choose now?? Fearium plays hardrock. But with one guitar, so i do not have to cut the mix. But yeah: i need the volume

 

[rpsands]

If you're using an all tube head, I'd recommend just building a dual woofer cab (2x12). It'll be a bit more weight in one package but it'll prevent you from ever accidentally frying your tube head by forgetting to connect a cab.

 

[CL400Peavey]

The traynor yba300 is a 300w alltube head @ 2/4 ohms

All your answers sound sweet in my ears - what to choose now?? Fearium plays hardrock. But with one guitar, so i do not have to cut the mix. But yeah: i need the volume

Well then you are looking at a dual woofer set up. The dual 12/6's is your cheapest route, the '66 is your best. I pair an all tube head up with a '66 and it is a monster.

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[scottfeldstein]

I went from a 412, to a 2-15 loaded with Faital pros (king of 15's-IMO). I now have a fearful 15/6, that does the job that those cabs did and then some, with a smaller pack space/footprint. In hindsight, I acquired all the goodies to build a 15-Sub to go with it, but at this point I doubt that I would ever need it. All that said, I'm gonna go ahead and build the 15-Sub, just for the sake of doing it (to have a stupid loud rig, if the situation ever arrived that I needed it).

IMO- I cant speak for the 12/6 from personal experience, but a 15/6 would spank any commercially available 410 that I know of and sound way better on stage while doing it.

Yours is the rig I want. 15/6 and a 15 sub. Got you covered from rehearsal volume to outdoor festival.

if only I had the money right now.

 

[vbchaos]

Well then you are looking at a dual woofer set up. The dual 12/6's is your cheapest route, the '66 is your best. I pair an all tube head up with a '66 and it is a monster.

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A bit bulky ;-) But I am sure you never have problems with volume. Seriously, I played fullstacks and these 810 "you-can-also-live-in-here" cabs, but THIS thing scares me!

Unfortunately I cannot find metric schematics and my common sence of inches is between 0 and 1 (PCB designer ;-) ) So I will print some schematics tomorrow and calculate a bit with dimensions and see which will do the job. After all your nice and fast replies, I know even more that I want such a cab, but I still do not know which one

Thanks by-the-way for the notice that greenboy has an own forum - I never saw that one. Nice reading there, too.