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4 string VS. 5 string for a beginner

so basically.. which one should a beginner start with? Some people say 4 it being traditional and all and some say 5 since the person is learning from a scratch, might as well start with 5.

I personally think 5 string has stronger point.. but I really can't make up my mind and wanted to hear some ppl's opinions on this matter.

also is there anyone selling a bass under $1000 CAD near Toronto area?
 
If you want a 5-string, get one. If you want one you'll get one eventually anyway, so no reason to make a purchase that you're not really happy with. :) As you say, might as well start on 5.

I'm sure it should be possible to get something nice for CAD1000 near Toronto! :)
 
It doesn't matter if you play a 4, 5, 6, or 100 string bass. If you can't lay down a solid foundation for the music the amount of strings on your bass won't matter so I say get the bass that will better represent YOUR musical voice.

You will hear a few people tell you that starting on a four is better because it's easier but if you are hearing those lower notes in your head (the ones below the lowest E on a 4-string) then getting a 4, even starting out, will not do you any justice.

I started on a 4 being that 5s weren't that popular during that period but if I had it to do all over again I would have probably started on a 5. Not having that lower register really limited me when I was playing a 4-string which is why I'm exclusively a 5-banger today. I've played many 4-strings recently that sound great but I could never own one unless one of the two conditions are met--it's a Fender P-Bass or an acoustic upright (DB).

In the end, it's whatever works for YOU!
 
I started on 5, and now can't stand 4s :D I was coming over from g*****, though.

I don't see why someone *wouldn't* want a 5-string... if you don't use the low B, cool, but if you want it, it's there. The same argument doesn't apply, IMHO, to a 6-string, though, as the high C can get in the way of the standard 4 when you're learning technique. I'd also say that the argument doesn't apply to 7-string guitars, as there's strumming involved, and the low B can get in the way for beginners.

By the way, it's not unusual to go through several basses when you're trying to get used to the thing. You'll develop a preference for scale length, fretboard radius, pickup positioning, active vs. passive, string-spacing, neck shape, etc, in addition to the range of the instrument, throughout the span of your bass-playing years. Nobody expects you to have all your preferences down the day you buy your first one, and you shouldn't, either.

In the same vein, I wouldn't recommend spending more than $500 Canadian for your first bass. You want something that plays easily and sounds decent, but if you buy a $1000 bass, then decide you like a different pickup configuration, or a thinner neck, or tighter string-spacing, etc, you're stuck with a $1000 bass. I used to teach guitar, and I always recommended the same price range to my beginners, regardless of their budget - $300-500 for your first instrument, until you know your preferences better. After that, knock yourself out :) There's a huge world of luthiery out there for you to explore :)

Welcome to TB and the world of bass guitar, by the way.

Dave
 
I reckon you should Get a 5 string simply because its in between 4 and 6 string. If you want to play 6 string you already adjusted to the large size and playing a 4 string will be easy because its smaller. If you know what i mean...

Its less of a jump if you want to play 6 string.
Or 4 string.

I am really bad at describing stuff.
 
I reckon you should Get a 5 string simply because its in between 4 and 6 string. If you want to play 6 string you already adjusted to the large size and playing a 4 string will be easy because its smaller. If you know what i mean...

Its less of a jump if you want to play 6 string.
Or 4 string.

I am really bad at describing stuff.

Yes you are, but i dont agree with what you said either ;p

Whatever you start on, be it a 4-5-6 moving from any size to another size isnt going to be more or less challenging with more or less strings, its just a bass, pick up what you want, learn to play it maybe im just adaptive, but i started on a 4 (For about a month) then went straight to a 6, just in the last year got a 5.

What i think is "MOST" important, isnt the strings, or brand or any of that crap, but the size you're used to... Any bass with 19mm string spacing i can move comfortably from a 6 to a 4 back up to a 5 changing from song to song if i wanted to. the problem usually stems from somebody's hands getting in the way on a bass with +more strings (Usually basses with more strings have tighter string spacing = harder to get used to if you're already adapted)

If you hand me a bass with 16-17mm string spacing, it dosent matter how many strings it has, i cant play it.
 
Yes you are, but i dont agree with what you said either ;p

Whatever you start on, be it a 4-5-6 moving from any size to another size isnt going to be more or less challenging with more or less strings, its just a bass, pick up what you want, learn to play it maybe im just adaptive, but i started on a 4 (For about a month) then went straight to a 6, just in the last year got a 5.

What i think is "MOST" important, isnt the strings, or brand or any of that crap, but the size you're used to... Any bass with 19mm string spacing i can move comfortably from a 6 to a 4 back up to a 5 changing from song to song if i wanted to. the problem usually stems from somebody's hands getting in the way on a bass with +more strings (Usually basses with more strings have tighter string spacing = harder to get used to if you're already adapted)

If you hand me a bass with 16-17mm string spacing, it dosent matter how many strings it has, i cant play it.
I think I more or less agree with what you say. :)

I think there's a difference, though. Muting strings is easier on 4- and 5-string basses. When going to a 6-string, it's more of a challenge to mute correctly, as you need to be a little more consistent and "clean" in your technique. Once you master the 6, though, I think anything above is doable. :) So, at least to me, there's a line to be crossed between 5 and 6...

I also prefer 19mm string spacing.
 
I'd like a 5-string, but I don't think it'd be good for me right now.
When I was first starting to write music (still more or less starting out :P) I always want to go down to lower notes from my rote and started detuning.
Then when I re-thought the bassline keeping in mind the range of a 4-string, I always ended up with something a lot more interesting than what I first thought of.

I don't see any point in getting a 5-string until I learn enough to apply myself to a 4-string effectively.

Just my 2 cents. I still want one to play songs that were writen on a 5-string :P
 
I started on 5, and now can't stand 4s :D I was coming over from g*****, though.
Dave

+1

I started with the left foot too (5 str). I am more at home with my 7str than with my 4 str (needless to say that I am in heaven with my 5str's).

I'd suggest to start with sth decent (low to mid priced) that feels good both to your hands as well to your ears. Upgrading on your first bass is not recommended IMHO cause you will evolve over time, so your next step may be at a very different instrument
 
I'd like a 5-string, but I don't think it'd be good for me right now.
When I was first starting to write music (still more or less starting out :P) I always want to go down to lower notes from my rote and started detuning.
Then when I re-thought the bassline keeping in mind the range of a 4-string, I always ended up with something a lot more interesting than what I first thought of.

I don't see any point in getting a 5-string until I learn enough to apply myself to a 4-string effectively.

Just my 2 cents. I still want one to play songs that were writen on a 5-string :P

Here's the thing a lot of people dont think of tho... its only 5 extra notes... what i use a 6 string for is playing in less positions, no sliding up and down the neck feverishly like the old days, i can move slowly in nearly one position. What that does is keep my wrist / arms / shoulders / back from hurting, but i've been playing a bit of time so, thats the kinda thing thats important to me.


And, Mr.Walker. I agree with what you say about muting, Have you heard of the "Floating thumb" technique ? I somehow managed to start playing like that from the git-go so muting wasnt that much of a problem, never anchored the thumb like most players.

But a very, very valid point i overlooked ;p
 
Here's the thing a lot of people dont think of tho... its only 5 extra notes... what i use a 6 string for is playing in less positions, no sliding up and down the neck feverishly like the old days, i can move slowly in nearly one position. What that does is keep my wrist / arms / shoulders / back from hurting, but i've been playing a bit of time so, thats the kinda thing thats important to me.


And, Mr.Walker. I agree with what you say about muting, Have you heard of the "Floating thumb" technique ? I somehow managed to start playing like that from the git-go so muting wasnt that much of a problem, never anchored the thumb like most players.

But a very, very valid point i overlooked ;p
Yeah, the "floating thumb" is more or less what I apply, too. On a 6 it needs to float more, on a 5, it can just rest on the B and doesn't have to move at all :)

So there was a transition period for me going from 5 to 7 (hehe), but now that I mainly play 6, the transition was already done.

But what you mention, that you had the floating thumb technique in your hands when coming from guitar, makes one thing very clear to me... it's actually a detour going through 4s if you WANT to get to 6. ;) It's better to learn the right technique to start with, rather than delaying it until later in your learning curve. :)
 
Yeah, the "floating thumb" is more or less what I apply, too. On a 6 it needs to float more, on a 5, it can just rest on the B and doesn't have to move at all :)

So there was a transition period for me going from 5 to 7 (hehe), but now that I mainly play 6, the transition was already done.

But what you mention, that you had the floating thumb technique in your hands when coming from guitar, makes one thing very clear to me... it's actually a detour going through 4s if you WANT to get to 6. ;) It's better to learn the right technique to start with, rather than delaying it until later in your learning curve. :)

o man, when i was first starting bass and trying them out in shops everybody would tell me how dumb i was to play like that "you gotta stick your thumb on the bridge pickup man" or, "Anchor the thumb on the E string"

hah, glad i didnt listen, i sound like crap when i anchor my thumb.

And with guitar, i would mute anything "Behind" the pick with my thumb if ya can picture what i mean ;p
 
Go with the 5. I started with a 4 and just made the transition a month ago to the 5 and Im just starting to get the feel for it. I played 4's fo 9 yrs before making the switch and I wish I started with a five instead. The formats are different and they are played differently. In actuality, the five is easier to play because you don't have to travel the fretboard as much to find the notes you need. :bassist: :cool:
 
so basically.. which one should a beginner start with? Some people say 4 it being traditional and all and some say 5 since the person is learning from a scratch, might as well start with 5.

I personally think 5 string has stronger point.. but I really can't make up my mind and wanted to hear some ppl's opinions on this matter.

also is there anyone selling a bass under $1000 CAD near Toronto area?

Most of the junior high school students I work with seem to learn best when they don't have to shift their left-hand position while they're learning to read, understand rhythms, etc. When asked to shift their left-hand position (especially above the fifth fret), their concentration is broken, and their time falters.

Were I starting over today, I'd probably begin with a 5-string with E-A-D-G-C tuning because it would be far easier to concentrate on reading and rhythm without the distraction of having to move the left hand unnecessarily; once the basics of musicianship are firmly in place, it becomes far easier to explore the upper reaches of the fingerboard.

But, hey, I'm an old fart:YMMV
 
It depends. If you know you'd like to end up playing a 5, then go ahead and get one, because it's not that huge of a jump from a 4.

My situation was a bit different. I had the idea that I wanted to play a 6 string fretless, but I started out on a fretted 4 string so that I could get my technique down without having to worry about intonation or tripping over extra strings. I became ready for the fretless pretty quickly, and I spent a long time wishing I had mwah and extra strings, but I think that I may have been ready for the fretless 6 so quickly because I kept things simple to start with, whereas buying a 6 from the beginning might have been a little too much for me to handle.
 
Most of the junior high school students I work with seem to learn best when they don't have to shift their left-hand position while they're learning to read, understand rhythms, etc. When asked to shift their left-hand position (especially above the fifth fret), their concentration is broken, and their time falters.

Were I starting over today, I'd probably begin with a 5-string with E-A-D-G-C tuning because it would be far easier to concentrate on reading and rhythm without the distraction of having to move the left hand unnecessarily; once the basics of musicianship are firmly in place, it becomes far easier to explore the upper reaches of the fingerboard.

But, hey, I'm an old fart:YMMV

It depends. If you know you'd like to end up playing a 5, then go ahead and get one, because it's not that huge of a jump from a 4.

My situation was a bit different. I had the idea that I wanted to play a 6 string fretless, but I started out on a fretted 4 string so that I could get my technique down without having to worry about intonation or tripping over extra strings. I became ready for the fretless pretty quickly, and I spent a long time wishing I had mwah and extra strings, but I think that I may have been ready for the fretless 6 so quickly because I kept things simple to start with, whereas buying a 6 from the beginning might have been a little too much for me to handle.


Both of you make great points. I'd add this:

Yes, 4 string is easier. Anything you learn on 4-string will apply to 5-string. However, those who say about 5 string that "it's only an extra 5-lower semi-tones, or your can just ignore the 5th string if you don't want it," may have over-looked a couple of important things.

As many 5 string players know, fingerings on 5-string CAN and in many cases SHOULD be different from 4 string. This is the main advantage of 5-string, IMHO. :cool:

Thus, IMHO, it is not the lower-register that makes 5-string so different and so important. Rather, it is the availability of notes a 4th lower than those on the E string for any given position, i.e., without shifting your fretting/fingering hand. This is assuming BEADG.

BTW, I tune one of my 5ers to EADGC, and find that tuning very very flexible and useful for solo work. Again, you can reach things without as much shifting, as Jazzdog noted.

I think that modern bassists need to be able to handle 4, 5, and maybe six strings, on fretted and fretless fingerboards. Ideally, we should all be good on 4-string upright, too, including the use of the bow. There is nothing like arco playing to build left-hand technique for intonation, and this definately (IMHO) supports your fretless playing in several ways.

Which bass to start on? hmmnnn....I started in the childrens choir, took piano, then french horn. I then got a bass (4-string electric, fretted), and then started upright. All this before I was 17. Start early and start often, I always say! :D :D :D

But seriously though, just get a bass and do it, NOW! I don't think it matters that much, but 4-string is easier. Fewer barriers in the beginning of anything is good. Lord knows there are already so many things trying to keep us as worker/consumer-bees, and away from making music. Art is just way way too subversive! :smug:
 
wow thank you so much to all who replied. I'm so glad I asked, otherwise I would be so lost still.

About the price, what I thought was.. if I get a cheap one ranged 300 to 500, I'll have a problem if I want to resell that later when I want to upgrade. If I can get my hands on something around 800.. I'm assuming it would still have its value to some ppl later on when I trying to sell it to others. But that's just my thought that I applied in anything I buy.. maybe bass is a little different?

and Since I live in Canada and don't want to ship something over from US (duty and tax are ridiculous), I feel like I'm very limited in terms of selection.. :( I saw someone selling Warwick Corvette but he says there are some cracks on the neck which scares me.. an Ibanez K5 but some ppl say the gap between strings are too narrow and I don't know if I can bore that 'K5' logo when I play at church.. haha

This bass searching's teaching me a lot. like Jim Carr says, I want to start right now so bad :D
 

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