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I need a cutting implement!

Think of this as a spin-off to the "I need a router!" thread I did about a year ago.

Well guys, I've held out as long as I could, but I think I need a bandsaw now. After gluing in the dyed wenge neck and body laminates for my Serenade, I realized that that's not going to work. The dye barely penetrated the wood. That's why I got some Gaboon ebony (jet black!) and planned on sawing the neck and body apart, right down the existing wenge laminates. In order to do that, though, I need something bigger than my dependable, but underpowered and undersized Dremel XPR. Yes, it's a very nice rotary tool, but let's face it... RPMs alone aren't going to cut the mustard -- or in this case, the wenge.

First, let me fill you guys in on my current workspace. It's literally a closet, measuring ~36 x 60, but I've got a big shelf and tool box in there, so I really only have ~20 x 48 to work with. As far as power tools, I've got the basics -- circular saw, jigsaw, and a router (Bosch 1617EVS :D ).

I took a trip to Lowe's today, not for a bandsaw (#6 machine screws), but I did look at a bandsaw while I was there. I'm particularly interested in Delta's 9" saw ($99). It takes up little space and is budget-friendly. Yes, 9" is NOT a lot, but unless I'm cutting 1pc. bodies, it should be enough, right? It was also suggested that I look for a local cabinet shop, or something, that could surface and cut out the shape, but I've tried 5 different shops, and they're all too busy making cabinets to plane my wood, so....

Here beings my quest to find a suitable bandsaw!



EDIT: Changed title from "...bandsaw!" to "...cutting implement" since it seems that a good jigsaw will work, too.
 
I have the 9" delta, and while handy, it is a pain to set up. Even when set up well, I have problems. It is pretty low power too, and I have trouble cutting through many of even the softest woods. I don't want to deter you from that particular model, but I'm hoping you can find something better for about the same price. The only thing I really even use mine for anymore is making templates. I piece bodies would be possible, but they would take a bit more planning ahead as to how you will make your cuts.
 
I have several metal cutting bandsaws and one that has a high speed that I can use for thick wood. I bought one of those small band saws a few years ago just to cut thin a thin thermoforming plastic called Kydex. I used the material for knife sheaths. The plastic ranged from .060 to .125 thick. The saw could handle the plastic just fine but any kind of hardwood thicker than aprox. 3/8" ........FORGET IT :rolleyes: The guides are also very cheaply made and you have to constantly adjust them.
 
Like, I said in your other thread, that Delta bandsaw is a pretty bad investment. Pleeeeease consider this!!! It is good advice, trust me:

Spend that $ on a nice high quality jigsaw. With a specified blade, you can cut out bodies with the same tight curves as the delta bandsaw, only the cuts will be nice and square and smooth. The Delta, even w/ really good setup,
A. Has a hard time staying square, worse w/ time because the lousy guides wear out fast,
B. Doesn't have much clearance between the blade and body, which makes everything very difficult,
C. Will burn your wood while you struggle to make straight cuts. Etc etc etc. You'll pull your hair out

A nice, powerful, quality jigsaw is a MUCH better buy than that crappy bandsaw, and similarly priced. Also, the blades are much cheaper, The next bandsaw I buy will be a high quality one, If I buy one at all. I use a router for almost everything.

Also, instead of butchering your neck, why not save it for a later project? Glue up a new one w/ the ebony. You'll have a good use for the original one eventually.
 
Ain't nuthin worse than a cheap tool in my book. I don't know anything about a $99 delta but you get what you pay for. The 14" Delta saw is fantastic although I don't think you want to dedicate your whole closet to it. I have a Rigid 14" that was less expensive than the Delta but still a good tool and I use it all the time. I also have a Hitachi 18" re-saw band saw with a 3HP motor on it. Couldn't pass it up. Makes re-sawing a breeze. Sure takes up floor space though.

The jig saw idea is OK, but once you have real shop space available I would make an investment into a good band saw before any other stationary tool. Well, maybe right after a good bench and vise.

Greg N
 
Does anyone have any experience with the Bosch 1587 or 1590? For $119 + tax, I can get a new 1587 @ Lowe's, or for the same price (+ $10 s/h), a reconditioned 1590 off eBay

The 1587 has 5 amps, and the specs read that it can cut up to 3 3/8" wood (also 1 1/4" plastic, 1/8" stainless, 3/8" mild steel, and 3/4" aluminum). 500-3100 SPM. Made in China. Includes tight kerf blade, 2 wood blades, case, non-maring footplate, and zero-clearance.

The 1590 has 6.4 amps, and has the same cutting specs as the above, only wood wasn't listed. 500-2800 SPM. Made in Switzerland. Supposedly has a "precision control system" which eliminates blade wander. The reconditioned 1590 won't include the case or blades, though -- just the insert and footplate.

All of this stuff is @ www.boschtools.com if you guys really want the full specs.


EDIT: I've found a few new options. For $129 (+ $8.95 s/h), I found a reconditioned 1590 that does include the case (but not the blades). And lastly, there's one for $139, free parcel post shipping, listed as new, "never out of box," and comes with everything.
 
A jigsaw is good if you don't have space for a bandsaw. I built several of my first instruments with a jigsaw and no bandsaw (now that I have one, I wouldn't go back, though). The bosch jigsaw I have is the 1590EVSK. it's a great tool with plenty of power for cutting body shapes, etc. I got it at lowes, can't remember how much I paid ...but I would recommend it for your case. It's better to have a REALLY good jigsaw than a mediocre small bandsaw.

Have you considered the craftsman model #21400? it's a small 10" with a 1/3hp motor. I have the bigger 14" that has a 1hp running and 8.5" resaw capacity and it's a really good tool. Don't know about the smaller ones. Recent craftsman tools are much higher quality than the old ones. Just a thought.
 
Teej,

We use the Bosch 1584AVS for general purpose small
cutting...it's especially nice for making fixtures and
lopping up material.

I can't say that I would recommend it for cutting out bodies
on a regular basis - I've had problems with the blade
wandering cutting 2" poplar..actually, I lost one or two
bodies that way, with the blade actually wandering inside
the body contour on the underside of the blank.

However - for many other kinds of operations, I recommend
it highly - it's well powered, leaves a very nice cut, and
the blades are very quick to change and easily found in
most HW stores.

One suggestion - I've found the 'barrel grip' jigsaws to be
much, much easier to control than the top-handle style.
Your experience may be different, but for me the barrel is
the clear winner.

Peace,
Martin
 
JP used a Festool jig saw. If space is your primary concern, I'd get that.

I had the 9" Ryobi. The blades got dull fast and wandered like crazy through almost any material. I managed to eek out maybe half a dozen instruments with it.

Do you really want to cut through all that wenge just to get from almost black to black? How are you going to surface all the stuff once you have sawn it? Seems like a lot of work, wood, and money to burn through just to get black instead of almost black.
 
I've wondered about that! When I was looking at the Delta bandsaw at Lowe's, they had the scroll saws right there, and I thought "I wonder..." Plus, they're like 16" deep - definitely a plus! I didn't think scroll saws could cut material that thick, though. :confused:

By the way, I swung by Sears to check out that bandsaw. First, let me say that this particular Sears had crap for a selection. I was hoping they would have that Bosch jigsaw, but nope. The Craftsman 10" definitely appears to be of higher quality -- a LOT of metal components, whereas Delta used quite a bit of plastic. I guess that's why the Deltas are cheaper. The problem noticed with the Craftsman is that I imagine it's pretty darn heavy, and I have a Workmate for a workbench. I could just see that thing collapsing under the weight. I could easily build a more solid workbench though, so that's not really a problem. What is a problem is that I don't think I would have much benchspace to work with, if I were to get it. There's no big rush to cut out some bodies, though. Until then, I may see how my Skil jigsaw handles that walnut. And if it burns out, that would give me a justifiable reason to get a new saw. :smug:
 
erikbojerik said:
I know a dude who regularly cuts 1-3/4" thick body lumber with a Delta scroll saw, and turns them into some pretty nice guitars. You'll pay more than $100 for that saw, though.

I recently cut a guitar body from 1.75" mahogany with a nice DeWalt scroll saw. It was a little slow, and I broke two blades, but the finished product was fine. Took about 1/2 hour, including a couple short breaks, to cut the body out.

Drak over at Project Guitar has probably cut out close to 100 bodies on his scroll saw. There's actually a little thread going on over there right now on this subject: Link Removed
 
I did some quick "cost analysis" (I like to sound fancy :o ), and came up with a conclusion: Even if I decide not to cut out the wenge, and buy a new set of laminates, I would still need a new saw to cut out the body. So, it would actually cost more to spare the neck and body blanks than it would to cut them apart. I don't mind doing some extra work. Time is something I have a LOT of, but money is tight.

That didn't stop me from e-mailing Larry about getting some more wood, though!!

Seriously, I think I have some sort of lumber addiction. Whenever someone comes over, notices the relatively large stack of wood in my bedroom, and asks what about it, I have to tell them about the individual species I have, its origin, what it will be used for, its smell (see title under username), etc. etc. :smug: