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Legion Sound?

So I was walking around the local music store when i saw across the way a strange logo, an "LS". I originally thought, maybe it's a realllllly old lds. I moved in for a better look, and discovered it was a legion sound 4x10. It seemed pretty small for a 4x10, and even though it had a used sticker on it, it looked brand new. Looked at the back, turns out its a 600 watt 8 ohm 4x10, surprise point number one. then the price. $100. I could have walked out of the store with that cab with the cash in my pocket. I couldn't try it out because i was picking up my furman and had parked in the fire lane, but if anyone has a good or bad experience with these cabs I might just have to head back over there (no rush, it isn't availible for purchase until july because the store runs a 30 day check to prevent selling stolen goods, hence the reason I was picking up my furman which i bought three weeks ago)
 
So I was walking around the local music store when i saw across the way a strange logo, an "LS". I originally thought, maybe it's a realllllly old lds. I moved in for a better look, and discovered it was a legion sound 4x10. It seemed pretty small for a 4x10, and even though it had a used sticker on it, it looked brand new. Looked at the back, turns out its a 600 watt 8 ohm 4x10, surprise point number one. then the price. $100. I could have walked out of the store with that cab with the cash in my pocket.
Legion cab? BEWARE.. What material is the cab constructed of? Anything other than 3/4" plywood is pretty much crap for a bass cab, unless its 1/2" ply but using the NEO-type speakers that are far lighter.
 
i didnt dig that deep, i looked at the back for a laugh, thinking it would be rated at like 250 watts, but the 8 ohm 600 watt handling (1200 peak) got me interested. still looking for users, I don't think they were neo speakers, but after some research i found out that they use madison speakers. Any good? how would they compare to other cheaper companies, namely avatar?
 
These cabs are made of 5/8 particle board. Be careful when using the power rating to determine what a bass cab is capable of. That figure only speaks of the electrical handling (voice coil) and not the mechanical handling which is determined by other properties of the driver in combination with cabinet design. In short, you can't say that 2 different 500watt speakers will do the same thing for you.

You also mentioned that the cab seamed small for a 4x10 and this is important. In general the box size tells you how loud a cab is. Stuffing more speakers in a box will NOT get you more bass volume.

BTW Avatars are made of 3/4 plywood which is a big step up constructionwise from 5/8 particle board.

All in all, it's worth $100 but not a penny more.
 
These cabs are made of 5/8 particle board. Be careful when using the power rating to determine what a bass cab is capable of. That figure only speaks of the electrical handling (voice coil) and not the mechanical handling which is determined by other properties of the driver in combination with cabinet design. In short, you can't say that 2 different 500watt speakers will do the same thing for you.

You also mentioned that the cab seamed small for a 4x10 and this is important. In general the box size tells you how loud a cab is. Stuffing more speakers in a box will NOT get you more bass volume.

BTW Avatars are made of 3/4 plywood which is a big step up constructionwise from 5/8 particle board.

All in all, it's worth $100 but not a penny more.


You can buy a new one from musicsupplycenter.com for $149. I would offer $80 cash for that one, especially since it's used.
 
Legion Sound made a lot of 4x10’s in 5/8" birch so the cabinet could be birch.
If you lift the cabinet you can probably tell if it is particle board or plywood.
A lot of major companies have made particle board cabinets. I own a Legion Sound particle board cabinet and they are very well made.
If you are thinking of buying it, you should try it out.
 
I haven't had a chance to play the 4-10" but, I love my 2-12". I think it is the best cab for the money and I laugh as people buy other budget brands that have a certain hate relationship around here. I think the birch MSC or LS or whatever they call themselves now, cabs are the greatest kept secret in cabs. I am looking really hard at the empty 4-12" cab they have on the sight. One thing I can say is, prepare to replace the tweeter if you use one.

Let us know what you think OP. I might go this route instead of that DIY cab I was hoping to build. (maybe not the 4-10", but a different cab. that 2-15" is also making me drool).
 
I have one of their 2x12 cabs as well and also love it. I've asked the kids for one of their 2x10 units for Father's Day as a result of my love for that thing.

Please let me know how you like it. A 2-10" might be more realistis for me as I want a little more in the highs after my tweet blew out. Plus, I want to see my 450watt power section. I haven't been able to do it yet.
 
i actually made a mistake and bought a loaded 2x10, and then a different empty 2x10. I thought my friend was going to have some extra speakers for me to slap in it. So now ill have one of the 3/4" ply cabs and one of the 5/8'' particle board ones. Im eager to see the difference between the two, ill let you guys know.
 
I picked up a Legion Sound 2x12 (which was purchased unloaded and then had some some no-name 12" drivers installed) in trade a while back. Opened it up, definitely plywood. I can't speak to the thickness, but the cab is relatively light, seems relatively sturdy and sounds pretty darn good. I can't say anything towards their speakers, or the MDF/particle board versions of the cabinets, but mine is ace.
 
I noticed that cab sitting in Daddy's as well.
They won't budge on the price of used stuff. IME at least

That'd be the one, its on hold til july though, kinda sucks. I didn't go try it out today because my plans in that area got cancelled, but i'll head down there tommorow and put it through its paces.

The guys at daddy's are idiots, IME. They don't make commission so they won't budge on their prices, as they don't care what they sell. Occasionally you run into an employee who knows more about the gear than your average walk-in, but I find myself correcting them about stuff I don't even know much about (one tried to convince me that the power rating was for each speaker rather than the entire enclosure, and refused to believe that a 400 watt cab had 4 100 watt speakers because, and I quote, "The PA in here is like 2000 watts, and we only have two speakers being run through it, so 400 watts isn't alot to put through a speaker because we put a thousand through ours" :eyebrow:
 
Ok, so I promised this review on wednesday, and I know I'm a little behind, but I finally got out to daddy's this morning and was able to give this cab a good workout.

Here's the setups I used on this cab:
Amps-
SWR pro 750
Ampeg SVT-450
Hartke 3500

Basses-
Ibanez SRX 650
Gibson SG
P bass
Geddy

ok, the cab was wired up with the SWR so I started with that. First impression? Hollow. There really wasn't any strong sound coming from this cab, just flat, flat, FLAT tone. After some EQing I only made the poor low response show, and although I could get decent high mids out, I think it was more the SRX than the cab, as I've recognized that tone through another setup with that bass. The Gibson, which I didn't like in the first place, actually sounded decent with this setup. The pick-ups seemed to favor mids more than bass, which played to the strengths of this cab.

Because I noticed the lack of low end, I took a Geddy to this thing, and it was almost unacceptable the sound I got out of it. At this point, I knew I wasn't buying this cab. There is a noticable drop off point in the mids at about an A on the E string. The cab simply didn't have it in it to hit the lower notes.

At this point, I decided to switch the set up a little bit, exchanging the SWR for the Ampeg, and the Geddy for a P bass. Very slight difference, I worked the 'peg's bass eqs slowly up all the way to the top trying to get some bass out of this thing, and I eventually got some oomph from the cab, although not impressive by any means. Saying there was no "rumble" from this cab is a good way to describe it.

Just for another comparison, I took a head I'm very familiar with, a hartke 3500a and the geddy, and gave it once last run.

The Hartke's "low pass" finally got this cab to show some life, and with an eq basically diagonally down from left to right (like \)
I got a passable bass tone, although it was not remarkable or really giggable.

Conclusion: This bass cab is worth about $25 if you like playing 5 string, since you can only use about 75% of your notes and expect to be heard. Since it could barely handle an open E, I didn't bother with a fiver.

However, if you play with a pick, a P bass and focus mostly on mids (i.e. punk), than this cab might be a decent back up or practice cab if you want to keep your main rig at home. However, and blues, jazz, metal, rock... anything which utilizes low end, then pass on this cab. you'll be disappointed.

for reference, I played fingerstyle, all basses tuned right before playing to standard E (EADG), monster speaker cables and pro links between the amp/cab and bass/amp, respectively.
 
Wow man, thanks for the details. I think I made a good decision when I went the 2-12" route.(at least for lows) When I want to chill, I'll attempt to play Santeria, and that cab sounds like Barry White, so smooth. Good to know that the 10's have a little more highs as that is what I think my rig is lacking.

If you want a bargain priced 2-12" check out their site.

Q: Did you get a decent mids or just mid highs?

I might just bite the bullet and try my hand at building the BFD 2-10" cab. I just don't like the crazy amount of tweeters that they have and I want it to match the W/L demensions on my cab. I should just talk to Bill. Gotta get that money first.