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ASH vs. ALDER - PART II

VOTE HERE!

  • Clip C matches Clip A

    Votes: 41 43.6%
  • Clip C matches Clip B

    Votes: 51 54.3%
  • Ramble On was recorded with a different bass on each verse

    Votes: 41 43.6%
  • Ramble On was recorded with the same bass on each verse

    Votes: 34 36.2%

  • Total voters
    94
EDIT: The answers are revealed in post 75.

Ok gang, this is a follow up test to the ultra controversial thread I posted recently, found here: http://www.talkbass.com/forum/showthread.php?t=738084

This time I thought we could do things differently. The last test asked listeners to identify which clips were Ash and which were Alder. Well, that's fine and dandy, but trying to identify a specific species of wood is rather difficult. It might be more useful to ignore the names of the woods, and simply test people's ability to hear the difference between them. For practical purposes, the words "Ash" and "Alder" are completely meaningless for this test.

I did the same process this time as last. I used two Fender MIM Jazz basses, one with an Alder body and one with Ash. I recorded audio with one bass, then dismantled it and replaced only the body. I used the same neck, strings, bridge, etc. And I tried to play the parts as closely the same as possible.

To keep things more "real world", I recorded bass parts on top of songs without existing bass (for Ramble On I simply looped the intro). This makes the test more useful, since the tonal differences between wood need to stand out in a mix to be signficant. I did not apply any EQ or Compression to the bass tracks. They are raw. And I intentionally made the bass "too loud" compared to the song tracks so we would have some hope of actually hearing any details. So really, these clips make the tone differences MORE OBVIOUS than they would be in a real-life scenario.

Unlike last time, I promise not to play any sneaky tricks on you guys. :p While that was useful and educational last time, this time I'll resist the temptation.

So here's the deal this time: This poll will be multiple-choice. The A and B clips were recorded with different body woods. The C clip was recorded with one of the two. Your first job is to figure out whether C matches A, or B.

The "Ramble On" clip was recorded with either one bass for both verses, or a different bass on each verse. Your second job is to figure out which it is.


(Please use good headphones or monitors for these tests)


DOES CLIP "C" MATCH "A" OR "B"?
Clip A
Clip B
Clip C

THERE ARE 2 VERSES ON THIS "RAMBLE ON" TRACK. WAS THE BASS RECORDED WITH THE SAME BODY WOOD FOR BOTH VERSES, OR A DIFFERENT WOOD FOR EACH VERSE?
Ramble On


For the record: I've always said that body wood DOES impact tone slightly, but that other factors (like strings, pickups, the player) impact tone more. I think these clips prove that. Only bassists with highly trained ears will hear these differences. 99% of your audience will never notice.

So if you're interested in tweaking your tone, your body wood should probably be the last thing you worry about.

Anyway, let's see those votes!

:bassist:
 
Only bassists with highly trained ears will hear these differences. 99% of your audience will never notice.


:bassist:

This says just about everything regarding the entire chain from beginning to end about basses and bass gear. The difference between ash and alder is very noticebale to an experience bassist in both tone and feel of the instrument. The audience probably doesn't notice and I could not give a damn if they do, they're not playing the bass.
 
Serioulsy though Dan, its great that you want to put a more subject-friendly test out there to debunk the whole "tonewood" thing. But the truth is, people are going to hear what they want to hear. Plain and simple. I too was anticipating the whole, "wow, I guess you proved me wrong" post to appear, but its highly unlikely because the internet is full of "experts."

This is what will happen to this thread:

a - people will not participate in fear of being wrong
b - people will guess and will have fun with it
c - people will honestly particpate and if proven wrong, will get their knickers twisted and will place blame on anything they can to avoid admitting ignorance
d - carrot
 
Serioulsy though Dan, its great that you want to put a more subject-friendly test out there to debunk the whole "tonewood" thing. But the truth is, people are going to hear what they want to hear. Plain and simple. I too was anticipating the whole, "wow, I guess you proved me wrong" post to appear, but its highly unlikely because the internet is full of "experts."

This is what will happen to this thread:

a - people will not participate in fear of being wrong
b - people will guess and will have fun with it
c - people will honestly particpate and if proven wrong, will get their knickers twisted and will place blame on anything they can to avoid admitting ignorance
d - carrot

Sigh. You may be right.
 
Ok, here's my go - clip B sounded warmer (and a lot louder, which might be a perception of warmth) and I think A and C match.

I'm on the fence about the Ramble on clip. I'm thinking too hard which tells me there is nothing there to hear so i guess I'll go w/ same bass . . .

fwiw I'm secure enough w/ my abilities to not care about failing a listening test on a forum. what's the worst that can happen, I might learn something? I think this is fun... keep 'em coming! (the ramble on clip sounds great btw!!)