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About to order my first amp - try and stop me!

Hello Chaps,

Short version:
  • The cheap Chinese practice amp which I bought 5 years ago when I started playing bass again is dying.
  • I want a proper-sized amp to replace it.
  • My bandmate pointed me at Fender Rumble amps as being clean, middle-of-the-road, affordable, etc.
  • I want a "low gain, high volume" amp to use with my Helix.
  • I spent a lot of time asking questions on the Rumble Club thread (thanks guys! :thumbsup:).
  • I decided I want to buy Rumble 500.
  • Money will be in place for that in the next few days.
So - it's a big purchase. I obviously don't want to make an expensive mistake, but I've done my research and I'm pretty sure I'm not doing that.

Today I'm worrying about ordering an amp online without testing it or comparing it to others. I know lots of you think this is a necessity.

But:
  • I don't want an amp with tonal "character" - just something loud (and preferably "characterless") that I can use with the Helix.
  • I just checked the stock in the only shop I can reasonably get to, and the closest they can get is a Rumble 100 - nothing bigger.
So: I recognize that it would be better for me to spend 3 hours travelling around testing all the amps in my price range and in an ideal world I would, but I'm happy not to do that given that my usual supplier has a 30 day returns policy, which I'll use if I have to.

Are there any other things I should be thinking about before I pull the trigger on an online purchase, as opposed to delaying until I can do the trip round the shops (end of Jan at the earliest, probably).

With thanks for any ideas / suggestions in advance.
I'd recommend a separate amp and cab instead of a combo. Drawback with that is it's initially more expensive. Advantage is that upgrade path is simpler because you can upgrade the amp without the speaker or vice-versa without buying an entirely new combo as taste or needs change. A combo is easy to buy and haul around but you can't just upgrade the amp or the speakers it comes with. If your taste in sound changes you will probably have to sell the combo to buy a separate amp and cab.

However, if your stuck on combos, as long as you like the Fender sound, that Rumble 500 is a good choice with an upgrade to adding another Rumble 210 cab when you need to play large clubs or outdoors. That's as far as the upgrades go though. It is enough for almost all applications, again as long as you like the "Fender sound".

Another direct competitor for that price range is the Ampeg RB210 which is also a 500-watt into 4Ω combo. A second Ampeg 210 is also available. It will put 250-watts into its internal speakers whereas the Rumble will put up to 350-watts into its internal speakers. Although that's 100-watts, if really only gives the Fender about a 1db increase over the Ampeg. Both will work fine. You need to like the Ampeg sound and cosmetics though because it is distinctly different than the Fender sound. Same limitation with expansion or change in taste as you run into with the Rumble.

Honestly, to avoid buying an amp/combo now and needing to buy another one next year or two years down the road, you should take the time to compare these two with the bass you're going to be using...even if it is 3-hours away. Call first to make sure they have both and that you can try them both out.
 
Rumble is a voiced amp, you might love it or not. I frankly didn't perceive mine as clean.

yeah, I know that you plan to use your modeler in the return, but the voice of the amp might concern you if there's a chance, you'll want to use your amp without the modeler.

however, at it being 660 pounds from Thomann UK and Markbass 860 pounds (102P IV) it seems like you have a tough choice if you're firm on the 'under 700' mark. just under 700 you can have a MB58R mini 121P tho, but it's 'only' a 150-watter when used without an extension cab.

it's sad, you cannot test a Rumble and a Markbass before making the decision, if fact, any Rumble and any Markbass will give you some impression in which you like best. they're very different sounding amps.

and yeah, just in case, the return FX on a MarkBass is a pre-EQ one.
 
Rumble is a voiced amp, you might love it or not. I frankly didn't perceive mine as clean.

yeah, I know that you plan to use your modeler in the return, but the voice of the amp might concern you if there's a chance, you'll want to use your amp without the modeler.

however, at it being 660 pounds from Thomann UK and Markbass 860 pounds (102P IV) it seems like you have a tough choice if you're firm on the 'under 700' mark. just under 700 you can have a MB58R mini 121P tho, but it's 'only' a 150-watter when used without an extension cab.

it's sad, you cannot test a Rumble and a Markbass before making the decision, if fact, any Rumble and any Markbass will give you some impression in which you like best. they're very different sounding amps.

and yeah, just in case, the return FX on a MarkBass is a pre-EQ one.
Effects return on the Markbass is pre EQ? Man that is weird. :eyebrow:
 
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Effects return on the Markbass is pre EQ? Man that is weird. :eyebrow:

it's also parallel (on some amps switchable to series by a jumper, but not sure on which it's not).

but usually it's not a problem, as the amp is not that voiced. the cabs are, however. but it's not necessary a bad thing.

however, if the OP ends up disliking both markbass and rumble, he could get a powered FRFR speaker. not sure, which, maybe in a Helix thread someone knows a good active FRFR under 700 pounds, usable for bass.
 
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it's also parallel (on some amps switchable to series by a jumper, but not sure on which it's not).

but usually it's not a problem, as the amp is not that voiced. the cabs are, however. but it's not necessary a bad thing.

however, if the OP ends up disliking both markbass and rumble, he could get a powered FRFR speaker. not sure, which, maybe in a Helix thread someone knows a good active FRFR under 700 pounds, usable for bass.
Still seems like a waste of time and money to me. If powered PA speakers were that great with bass I think we'd see a lot more of them used that way, I don't.
To each their own.
 
Woah, you leave a thread alone for a few hours (to play a small gig, actually) and suddenly there are 500 replies...! Well, 40 or so anyway.

So, I'm trying to take a summary now and absorb / ponder all the opinions but it's late and there are lots of them, so I'll start by saying thank you to you all for providing them. It's going to take me a while to pick through them carefully, I think - will probably have to do that tomorrow now, but as a general response:
  • thanks for the enthusiasm from those of you who are enthusiastic about Rumbles
  • thanks for those of you who pointed out the use of the FX return - again, I had considered this but didn't put it in my original post as I was trying to keep the "list of thing I've thought about" concise
  • again, I take all points but I think there's enough focus on testing here for me to try to arrange that trip to the local store (PMT, for those of you who have heard of them) and I'll do that ASAP
Finally - I hear you on the split amp / cab stuff, likewise on upgradabilty - but I also get the impression that either I'm spoilt by the Helix, or perhaps I'm just generally not as fussy about tone as some folk here. I'm also aware that a Rumble 500 is going to have a lot of spare capacity for my current playing - perhaps forever(?).

When I play in my church band I'm running into a 100W Carlsbro combo amp which is probably 80's or 90's in origin. It's slightly underpowered and probably has its own "sound" too, but I haven't ever found I couldn't get something musical out of it by fiddling with something or doing something different with my hands. I'm not claiming to be an expert at all - I'm still at the start of my playing journey - but I've not had complaints either.

Perhaps because I use a somewhat broad pallette of tones via the Helix, the differences for me are larger and maybe the subtleties of amp brand X vs amp brand Y aren't so significant. I don't know. But I will try to test out some Fender amps before I buy to check what they're like. The Fender guitar amp in my lounge makes a good sound though, so I'm hopeful.

I'll try to reply more tomorrow. Thanks again. :thumbsup:
 
David Pastorious who's playing with Pat Travers has this set up (looks Rumble-ish to me) -
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A small point but if u go Rumble dont get carried away with all those vintage knobs and whatnot....That deep tone on stage will sound like mush out in the room...if anything dial the bass back and push the mid knobs so it sounds thin on stage....Out in the room you'll be punching real hard.
 
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  • I don't want an amp with tonal "character"

That's definitely not how I would describe a Rumble. They have very baked in tone IMO. Some people love that tone, others are not so happy with them. They are good amps for the money though, it's just a matter of personal taste.

As for Rumble 100 vs 500... What do you need this amp for? If you're playing gigs the 100 will most likely not provide the volume you need but if it's just for practicing at home you really don't need the 500.