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“Feeling” the bass

ragetoca

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I play at a lot of venues where, 90% of the time, I don’t have a bass amp onstage—just a mixer for my in-ear monitor mix.


The problem is that I just can’t feel the bass. I can hear it just fine, but I don’t get the same physical response, and I don’t play my best because of it.


I’m thinking about requesting a bass amp onstage in our rider and placing it face down so it makes the stage vibrate around me.


Does anyone else do this?
 
In my 30+ years playing, I never set an amp face down.

Usually, it's the other way around- people hate how they only feel the bass, but there is no presence or articulation.

I say leave it alone, you are where you need to be. Or, if you really need to "feel" it, buy your own powered cabinet and point it at yourself.
 
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I play at a lot of venues where, 90% of the time, I don’t have a bass amp onstage—just a mixer for my in-ear monitor mix.


The problem is that I just can’t feel the bass. I can hear it just fine, but I don’t get the same physical response, and I don’t play my best because of it.


I’m thinking about requesting a bass amp onstage in our rider and placing it face down so it makes the stage vibrate around me.


Does anyone else do this?
You have an issue...you don't feel like you're getting enough physical "feel" from your bass on stage.

There are a number of potential solutions to that problem, some I'm aware of, some I'm not, but I'm sure running a bass cabinet face down on the stage is not the solution to this or any issue. It would likely end up creating other issues, not the least of which would be probably damaging the driver(s).

This is subjective, but my own experience and perception (which I'm not saying is or should be yours) has been that with a number of well-fitting IEMs, I've gotten the convincing (for me) illusion that there's an amp behind me when there's not. With subs (some variation due to the stage and gig type), I generally can't tell whether there's an amp or not...if there is one, I've not been able to tell whether it's on or off. Even in rehearsal rooms without subs (and so no expectation of that feel), I've gotten that same effect with some IEMs, some less so.

Yes, there are pads and other potential solutions, but I'd first ask what kind of IEMs are you using? And then what's the monitor mixer setup (i.e., does your band have an IEM rig)? Also, what kind of gigs are these (venue/stage type, how loud and as @WayneP asked, are subs typically involved?).

You're the only one who can hear and feel what you're hearing and feeling and obviously, you can't hear what anyone else hears, which is one thing that's obvious but often not out front when considering this and can create real challenges in this area. It also creates the possibility that you can believe that your IEMs are performing optimally when they simply aren't. The best you've ever heard can actually be falling short of what's possible in terms of providing bass and sub bass, and a marginal difference there could be the amount that's necessary to create that illusion that an amp is there when it's not.

It may end up being the case that there are no IEMs that can give you what you want, just saying if it were me, I'd check as a first course.
 
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In my 30+ years playing, I never set an amp face down.

Usually, it's the other way around- people hate how they only feel the bass, but there is no presence or articulation.

I say leave it alone, you are where you need to be. Or, if you really need to "feel" it, buy your own powered cabinet and point it at yourself.
I fly all over the place I can’t be bringing an amp with me
 
You have an issue...you don't feel like you're getting enough physical "feel" from your bass on stage.

There are a number of potential solutions to that problem, some I'm aware of, some I'm not, but I'm sure running a bass cabinet face down on the stage is not the solution to this or any issue. It would likely end up creating other issues, not the least of which would be probably damaging the driver(s).

This is subjective, but my own experience and perception (which I'm not saying is or should be yours) has been that with a number of well-fitting IEMs, I've gotten the convincing (for me) illusion that there's an amp behind me when there's not. With subs (some variation due to the stage and gig type), I generally can't tell whether there's an amp or not...if there is one, I've not been able to tell whether it's on or off. Even in rehearsal rooms without subs (and so no expectation of that feel), I've gotten that same effect with some IEMs, some less so.

Yes, there are pads and other potential solutions, but I'd first ask what kind of IEMs are you using? And then what's the monitor mixer setup (i.e., does your band have an IEM rig)? Also, what kind of gigs are these (venue/stage type, how loud and as @WayneP asked, are subs typically involved?).

You're the only one who can hear and feel what you're hearing and feeling and obviously, you can't hear what anyone else hears, which is one thing that's obvious but often not out front when considering this and can create real challenges in this area. It also creates the possibility that you can believe that your IEMs are performing optimally when they simply aren't. The best you've ever heard can actually be falling short of what's possible in terms of providing bass and sub bass, and a marginal difference there could be the amount that's necessary to create that illusion that an amp is there when it's not.

It may end up being the case that there are no IEMs that can give you what you want, just saying if it were me, I'd check as a first course.
I use Sures 869s - they fit me well and they seal well. No other musician plays a low frequency instrument - Drummers “feel”
What they play because they have a direct connection with their instrument, they are usually on a riser
 
I've had gigs where I sit on my amp. And that gives me a clear feedback of how the bass actually feels for the audience. It changes how I play. More focused on the lower notes because they can be felt. And avoiding the high strings unless i have a solo or something.
 
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Yes, as @Pulverizor mentioned the BackBeat is like a subwoofer that you can wear on your strap. Seems like a great solution for fly-dates.
This review is from 2019 and design may have changed a bit, but gives you more info:
 
I fly all over the place I can’t be bringing an amp with me
So Anyway, you and I, my good sir, must travel in different performance circuits.
We usually set up in a corner where there's an orange extension cord running from the restroom.

hoosier stage.jpg
 
I use Sures 869s - they fit me well and they seal well. No other musician plays a low frequency instrument - Drummers “feel”
What they play because they have a direct connection with their instrument, they are usually on a riser
Did you try with other tips? I use Plunge Audio Unity IEM and I had to try different sizes of tips before finding the ones that make me totally feel the bass frequencies. Turned out the smallest ones, smaller than the regular small ones were the perfect fit. I never had problems with low end with the customs I had prior to the Plunge Audio (one earphone broke, that’s why I went with Plunge).

I had a few gigs recently where the subs were under my position on stage… so I had way more rumble than usual. Again, the perfect seal helped me hear my tone.

Just my 0,02$
 
Yes, as @Pulverizor mentioned the BackBeat is like a subwoofer that you can wear on your strap. Seems like a great solution for fly-dates.
This review is from 2019 and design may have changed a bit, but gives you more info:
Yes they have a new G2 version
 

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