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“Heavy Metal” Jazz?

This is probably a reach, but is there any type of harder versions of jazz?

Learning to be proficient at jazz is the best goal for me in my bass journey, but sometimes I have a lot of bent up frustrations and there aren’t many jazz tunes that let me release it, and it’ll normally take playing Tool or Metallica songs for a few days to shake it.

That's fine and all, but I also try to play metal songs note-for-note and would like something that would be a little less structured to allow me to improvise a bit more on...

Basically, I’m looking for jazz recordings/groups that have a faster and more energetic pace, with harder hitting rhythms.... Anyone know of anything like that?

Edit: and I don’t mean stuff like Jaco’s work, which while being more energetic and faster than jazz standards, it’s not really “hard hitting” enough.

More old stuff, since I was thinking about it...disclaimer—once again, it might not fit your description of heavy, but as long as we’re all throwing things against the wall, what the hell...
Short lived band, and they trod the ground between prog and fusion, but it features Hugh Hopper, early fuzz bass explorer and former member of Soft Machine(a band that started out psych/prog and then became pre-fusion jazz-rock)


I had mentioned Allan Holdsworth; he was briefly in the Softs, who had a guitarist only in the very beginning. His addition a few years later gave the band a kick in the ass at the time, and got them into more riffy stuff. This is after Hopper had left the band(Roy Babbington on Fender VI)...


The Softs’ early guitarist, Daevid Allen, started a band called Gong, which initially was a goofy trippy spacey prog band with killer playing(leads by Steve Hillage); after Allen and Hillage left, the band went in a fusion direction with Holdsworth joining(I posted a clip earlier); confused? You need a Pete Frame family tree to connect all the dots. Then there’s the Miles Davis finishing school for 70’s fusion stars, and all the insane overlap between Laswell, Zorn, Frissell, Brotzman, Reid, Frith, Jah Wobble, Gibbs, Jackson, Buckethead, Bootsy and Bernie Worrell, Golden Palominos, Lounge Lizards/John Lurie, early 80’s NYC no-wave, Japanese noise bands, etc, etc.
Soft Machine as well is related to/spun off a whole host of bands, mainly in the prog camp.
Already mentioned above, Larry Coryell was a(then)younger jazz guitarist who adapted a louder rock sound, first with vibraphonist Gary Burton, then on his own...
 
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That Illusion album reminds me of early Weather Report when Miroslav was using fuzz and a wah. Thanks for that!

Hugh Hopper(who joined Soft Machine on their second album)was an inspiration for me in terms of dedicatedly using fuzz(as opposed to amp distortion), back when it was a radical idea. Aside from a few random examples/tracks from others, he and Tim Bogert were at the vanguard.
As a trio in 1969, they were in prog mode...

But when they added horns they presaged a lot of the fusion era...


Hopper did a number of solo albums and collaborative projects spanning decades after he left the band in 1972...

 
This is probably a reach, but is there any type of harder versions of jazz?

Learning to be proficient at jazz is the best goal for me in my bass journey, but sometimes I have a lot of bent up frustrations and there aren’t many jazz tunes that let me release it, and it’ll normally take playing Tool or Metallica songs for a few days to shake it.

That's fine and all, but I also try to play metal songs note-for-note and would like something that would be a little less structured to allow me to improvise a bit more on...

Basically, I’m looking for jazz recordings/groups that have a faster and more energetic pace, with harder hitting rhythms.... Anyone know of anything like that?

Edit: and I don’t mean stuff like Jaco’s work, which while being more energetic and faster than jazz standards, it’s not really “hard hitting” enough.
Into fusion? A recent favorite album of mine, Master Plan, is on constant repeat. Anthony Jackson on bass, Dave Weckl on drums; a fatal combo!

If you wanna put in the work, try this one:
 
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Most things I would have recommended have already been mentioned.
I would add Mats Gustafsson, Borbetomagus, Ken Vandermark to the list of relevant stuff...


This is probably a reach, but is there any type of harder versions of jazz?
You may also want to explore the whole genre called "jazzcore". This is a great list I have found useful:
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