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12 Inch Cab Opinions Please

Thanks, I did look at those. The Barefaced high end cutoff is stated at 4kHz whereas the Greenboy goes to 8kHz without a tweeter and the others I mentioned extend to at least 12kHz. I really would like to have the high end in order to get all the levels of harmonics. The AudioKinesis has a very high lowend cutoff (around 60Hz if I recall) and the woofer's sensitivity value is very low. The Mesa is actually the only one I have heard locally. Admittedly the guitar and amp head have a ton to do with the sound but that cab sounded technical not musical to me.

The AK cab has plenty of bottom, and there isn’t a more musical cab made, though I can’t speak to how well it would pair with a 50 watt head: @DukeLeJeune?
 
Continuing my quest for a small cab to mate with a 50 W all tube head for small, low volume gigs playing mostly 5 string fretless in duo or trio settings. After a lot of searches, listening to available sound files and email exchanges with the builders I think I have narrowed the search down to these 3 contenders. I live in a very small community so there is no chance to hear these in action, much less try them in a retail store. So, opinions and comments from TB users, positive, negative or thumbs down would be much appreciated.
  • Greenboy Audio - fEARful 12/6 or Fearless F112
  • AccuGroove - Tri 112L
  • Euphonic Audio - NL112
Thank you.
A few suggestions:

DNS-112 by DNA - If you want a really clear, clean, articulate (no hiding of any mistakes) cab, check out the DNS-112 by DNA. power handling is 450-watts both thermal and mechanical. They make two different ones. They make the "normal" and the micro. The normal one is better sounding. Street price is $749 to $799
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Eden D112XST - This is Eden's latest 112. Used to be there was a D112XLT with the characteristic mid-hump that the XLT cabs had. Not long after Marshall bought Eden, they changed most of the XLT's to XST's using different speakers. Power-handling is 300-watts. Difference is the D112XST has a tighter and lower bottom end than the XLT, but if you want the mid-hump, you'll have to dial it in on your amp. Price on Amazon is $622.28 (weird price!) Good news is you can often find used XLT and XST's around for about half that.
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Eden EX112 - I have to 'fess up, I own two of these. I have a DNS-410 by DNA that is a MONSTER. It can play anywhere without any fear of being covered up. Soft or loud it was my "one cab answer" to everything including outdoor festivals. However we play a small brewpub almost every Friday where we host an open mic. Owner said, "no, don't bring that in, use this Peavey 112 combo" when I first played there. So I did for quite a while and when the Peavey disappeared, I decided to buy an Eden EX112 cab specifically to use at that small club because I didn't like the sound of the Peavey.

This is the 112 with the whizzer cone instead of the horn tweeter, so it has a very small footprin and a small price. The first night I played it there, I was astounded at how good it sounded, and I bought a second one. I now use two of them for medium-sized clubs or clubs where it's hard to bring in my 410 (one club has a 30" tall stage with no steps). I liked the sound of one of them and two of them together even sounds better (common to almost all 112's).

Oh, and did I mention that the price for two of them was less than the price of one of either of the other two? Being the E series instead of the D series, price was only $269.99 each. When I got this, I got it in 4 ohm, because I was only planning on using one. Since the amp I was using on it won't handle a 2 ohm load, I have to use my "big amp", WT500/800 and plug one cab into each power channel to use them both. Power handling is 300-watts and amp puts out 400-watts per channel, but I'm running my amp's Master at ~9:30, so no problems there. If I were to do it again, I would have purchased the 8 ohm versions.

Below is a shot of that 2x112 set-up. And yes, I did stack it up on top of an egg crate to raise it up off the floor. Notice how my amp hangs over the edges? Reminds me of the Fender Bassman amps prior to 1966 - stacking the cab vertically gave it the same T-shape.
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I have since purchased an Eden TN226 (225-watt rms Class D amp) to use with just one of those cabs at that brewpub I mentioned. It's much smaller, doesn't hang off the edges and weighs less than 5-lbs, .

Bad news is that These EX-112's with the whizzer cone are no longer being made by Eden. Their E series only offers 110, 115, 210, and 410 now. There are still new ones out there, but once they're gone, that's all there is.

Below is a relatively decent iPhone recording. You can hear what two of them sounds like in this Jefferson Airplane song that our 5-piece band did at a gig in February. Even with just a phone recording, the bass sits nicely in the mix and is easily heard.
 
@Llewellen Bergantino REF112 would be exactly what you need, best horn in the business hands down. If you want light weight the HDN112 which I own is right up there but a different horn with a neo 12". Lightweight wins out for me and I don't feel it's a sacrifice in tone.
 
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Continuing my quest for a small cab to mate with a 50 W all tube head for small, low volume gigs playing mostly 5 string fretless in duo or trio settings. After a lot of searches, listening to available sound files and email exchanges with the builders I think I have narrowed the search down to these 3 contenders. I live in a very small community so there is no chance to hear these in action, much less try them in a retail store. So, opinions and comments from TB users, positive, negative or thumbs down would be much appreciated.
  • Greenboy Audio - fEARful 12/6 or Fearless F112
  • AccuGroove - Tri 112L
  • Euphonic Audio - NL112
Thank you.

I would get a small, tweeterless 1x15 like the venerable Bag End S15-D. 15s sound good with low power all tube heads and tweeters can sound harsh with tube distortion, IMHO. In addition, a high efficiency cab is going to be better with a low powered head as it'll increase the range of gigs you'll be able to use your tube rig on.
 
Thanks, I did look at those. The Barefaced high end cutoff is stated at 4kHz whereas the Greenboy goes to 8kHz without a tweeter and the others I mentioned extend to at least 12kHz. I really would like to have the high end in order to get all the levels of harmonics. The AudioKinesis has a very high lowend cutoff (around 60Hz if I recall) and the woofer's sensitivity value is very low. The Mesa is actually the only one I have heard locally. Admittedly the guitar and amp head have a ton to do with the sound but that cab sounded technical not musical to me.

As you probably know, it is dicey to compare specs between manufacturers since they often use different yardsticks. Duke is very honest in rating his AudioKinesis cabs. I have extensive experience with his ThunderChild 112s, and they are very strong (without being boomy) on the low B. I have tried a number of other 112 cabs, and the ThunderChildren have the strongest low end of any I've tried, and are certainly the most accurate and musical sounding.

Bob
 
I spoke with Mike today about his MAS112 and it seems very interesting and appropriate to my needs. He said that was the MAS model most suited to a low power tube amp. Do you have any experience with the build quality of his cabs?
His cabs are solid. I have owned three 1x8's, a 1x10 and 4x6. I really like the 4x6 but it might be bigger than your needs. The 1x8 and 1x10 were also great. Check out the Arnopol threads on TB about reviews, etc.
 
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The AK cab has plenty of bottom, and there isn’t a more musical cab made, though I can’t speak to how well it would pair with a 50 watt head: @DukeLeJeune?

Imo Mike's 112 is a better match for a 50 watt tube head than any of my cabs.
 
The jury is out to lunch on MAS sensitivity.

As far as I know uber12 cabs are all 3dB or more down in sensitivity compared to a regular neo cab.

Advantage a custom built plain cab when only 50w to play with.

From the MAS112 description on Arnopol's website:

"One custom neo 12, very high quality 4' mid and 1" tweeter. Very efficient at 100db---a 50 watt tube amp sounds glorious through it."
 
The jury is out to lunch on MAS sensitivity.

As far as I know uber12 cabs are all 3dB or more down in sensitivity compared to a regular neo cab.

Advantage a custom built plain cab when only 50w to play with.

it's actually more simple than it seems. The woofer I'm using is a cross between an Eminence 3012HO and a 3012LF. A 3012HOis 100.5 db. A 3012LF is 95.5. In measuring the efficiency of my driver Eminence says 96.5, and they say that is conservative.When you add the rear wave to the equation you get 99.5db. This is in line with my comparisons of the 112 to other known cabs. At 28" by 15 x 14 and at 39# it is bigger than single 12 cabs. But--I do need to mention--in terms of ultimate volume it is a fairer comparison to a 212. As all of the guys that have played through one can attest.If a good hpf is being used, 50 watts can go pretty far.Without one---most of those 50 watts are trying to reproduce subsonics.
 
it's actually more simple than it seems. The woofer I'm using is a cross between an Eminence 3012HO and a 3012LF. A 3012HOis 100.5 db. A 3012LF is 95.5. In measuring the efficiency of my driver Eminence says 96.5, and they say that is conservative.When you add the rear wave to the equation you get 99.5db. This is in line with my comparisons of the 112 to other known cabs. At 28" by 15 x 14 and at 39# it is bigger than single 12 cabs. But--I do need to mention--in terms of ultimate volume it is a fairer comparison to a 212. As all of the guys that have played through one can attest.If a good hpf is being used, 50 watts can go pretty far.Without one---most of those 50 watts are trying to reproduce subsonics.
By that maths you should put a plain 3012HO in there and make something truly scary with 50w.
 
Yeah---but I can come close enough with my custom one and also get the extension and excursion limit so it can also be used with a high power class d amp. I've had to make the choices to not have too many cabs in my catalog. Pick the right compromises. I have no adversity to build a MAS112 with the 3012HO. You're right--it would be even better for a 50 watt head. Not a good 5 string cab and a higher F3. But that wouldn't be a deterrent for a guy committed to 50 tube watts. I just decided to not have it in my catalog line. It would be the same price with a 3012HO.
 
Lots of fine suggestions above. Just thought I'd add that I find my 12/6/1 (cube form factor) great with upright, fretless, and conventional 5-string.

Have not used anything smaller than a Mesa Prodigy head, so the 50 watt head might be an issue, though there is only a modest difference in theoretical loudness between your 50 watts and the 200 watts from my clean(ish) mesa tube head.

What specifically is your head? Bassman? Dynaco? Ampeg? ??
 
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