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12-string guitars not as popular as they used to be?

pklima

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I know they are still used by lots of people, so not exaggerating and saying they're "dead", but is it just me or are they less common than they used to be? Seems to me like they were a bigger deal in the early 90s, like if somebody was going to own three or more acoustic guitars, one would probably be a 12-string. So I thought I'd ask, especially those who remember decades before that... have 12-strings always seemed to more or less have the same-sized niche, has it been gradually shrinking for a long time, or was there a specific moment when all the cool kids started only playing 6-strings?

I can come up with some vaguely plausible hypothesis that being able to make a bigger, richer sound with one instrument isn't a big deal in an era of easy overdubs, reverb/delay/chorus effects and even octavers and live loopers that solo/duo acoustic acts can use... but that's just a vaguely plausible hypothesis.

Musical intermission. These days they're also often set up with 11 strings strung in unison. Here's a nice example that's in English and 4/4.

 
The trouble with a 12 string is that you spend half your time tuning it and the other half playing it out of tune . It is always a compromise with intonation . I am not a hater by any means and it can sound fantastic to fill out the sound of a solo singer/songwriter . If you have 2 guitarists , one tuned standard and one in Nashville tuning , it is a revelation .
As to whether they are not as popular , I couldn't say , but I can't remember the last time I saw one in a bricks and mortar shop . They are built like Panzer tanks to withstand the string tension so maybe all of the ones that were built in the 70s are still around :laugh: :laugh:
 
My first 20 years of guitar was only 12 string, it is still my primary "guitar". I have only received compliments when playing, seems more people should play them.
Current 12's are so well built and easier to play.
My first was a pawn shop 70's Yamaha with 5 stings, but sound when I fist strummed it sold me. I will admit it takes time to build up the strength to play, but it's worth it.;)

My current 12 is a old Takamine, which my wife selected because it was "pretty", a special edition here in Japan, all Koa. Sounds awesome unplugged or plugged.
 
Can actually check if the market is still full of 70s ones... looking at Reverb listings (not perfect: noisy data, I get sellers willing to ship to Poland, those double-sided 6/12 monstrosities are also in the category etc. etc.) it does seem like a little over 1% of new acoustics are in the 12-string category, and it's about the same or less from the 90s until this decade's used acoustics, 60s-80s it's around 3-4%.
 
I had one just like this Reverb listed one
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as my first guitar in 1980. I only used 9 strings, doubling up the treble strings only. I can't even remember what happened to that guitar.
 
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I adore 12-string guitars and have both acoustic and electric versions. In my view there will always be musical, textural reasons to use them—in the same way that double-course instruments are used worldwide. The tuning issue is a red herring. Once you know what you're doing it takes no significant time to tune one—and in fact some big hits have been built around slightly out of tune 12's. As to why you'd want one, let David Gilmour make the point:



And, yup, that's me…

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I know they are still used by lots of people, so not exaggerating and saying they're "dead", but is it just me or are they less common than they used to be? Seems to me like they were a bigger deal in the early 90s, like if somebody was going to own three or more acoustic guitars, one would probably be a 12-string. So I thought I'd ask, especially those who remember decades before that... have 12-strings always seemed to more or less have the same-sized niche, has it been gradually shrinking for a long time, or was there a specific moment when all the cool kids started only playing 6-strings?

I can come up with some vaguely plausible hypothesis that being able to make a bigger, richer sound with one instrument isn't a big deal in an era of easy overdubs, reverb/delay/chorus effects and even octavers and live loopers that solo/duo acoustic acts can use... but that's just a vaguely plausible hypothesis.

Musical intermission. These days they're also often set up with 11 strings strung in unison. Here's a nice example that's in English and 4/4.


Well, ese, that looks/sounds to actually be a Bajo Sexto…
..similar, but an entirely different application, seen/heard in Mexican Norteno music. The tiple is a South American cousin.

The 12-string is just a sonic tool in the instrumental toolbox, a specialty sound, and not every guitar player is going to be interested in it just like not all play open tuning slide guitar. And yes, due to it being somewhat high maintenance when it comes to technique, and that now you can emulate the sound with pedals and such, it's no wonder that you may not see it as much.

It's always faded in and out of fad and fashion…Leadbelly's use of it trickled down to the folk boom of the late 50's/early 60's, with "Walk Right In" being the major moment of exposure, plus Glen Campbell's use of it as a session player, but obviously The Beatles' early use really established it in rock/pop, then Roger McGuinn picked up on it, making it an essential component of the Byrds' sound, with many other bands following suit. He was perhaps the only player that fully committed to the instrument(aside from Leo Kottke in the acoustic world).

Harrison soon left it behind, and as the mid-60's folk-rock sound became passe' just a few years later, you didn't hear it as much. It's all over the third Velvet Underground album, and then of course Led Zeppelin(especially on that song which is forbidden in guitar stores), although Page used it earlier in the Yardbirds. As well, it was a major part of Genesis' sound, and Steve Howe utilized it in Yes, but it kinda faded away in the 70's, although David Byrne used it a little bit in the early Talking Heads.

Eventually, after guitars came back in the 80's following the synthpop wave, the 12 string was revived, R.E.M. being major instigators with their Byrds-influenced sound(although Buck didn't stay on it like McGuinn), as well as Echo and the Bunnymen, The Church, The Smiths, and so on. As for the last 30-40 years, its use has been intermittent. Maybe it will take a band coming from out of nowhere to make it hip again.
 
I'm 73 and I think that the last song I heard with a 12 string guitar was Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers........The Waiting. 1981

The Beatles used the 12 a few times and of course The Byrds probably were the first band to feature an electric 12. A long time ago.

 
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Yeah, they've come and gone.

The folkies used them back in the Great Folk Scare (I'm talking 50s and 60s, children) because the old blues guys (I'm talking 20s and 30s, children) used them - the old blues guys just wanted a louder guitar for playing unaccompanied in juke joints and places where people were dancing, drinking, and talking.

The rockers picked them up from the folkies.

They're real good for hippie dippie strummy-strum stuff, not much good for boom-chick country two-beat stuff, not much good for fingerpicking.

As someone who occasionally ends up playing a decent amount of acoustic guitar for a couple years or so (even though I'm a lousy guitar player), and then won't even pick up a guitar for a couple years at a stretch, my interest in owning one waxes and wanes.

Anyway, whenever the fad of rockers playing more acoustic, contemplative, singer-songwriter stuff cycles round again, they all pick up 12 strings and record a few cuts with them, then they fall back out of favor. Seems to cycle round about every 8-15 years.
 
A niche instrument that you need a vice-like grip to play, is a pita to keep in tune and even more to re-string. They do have a great sound, but it's easier to just get a polyphonic octave-up pedal.
It doesn't sound the same, though. When you bump the G, B, and E strings up an octave, it sounds weird. I tried it on one of my recordings and wound up ditching the upper octave.
 
A niche instrument that you need a vice-like grip to play, is a pita to keep in tune and even more to re-string. They do have a great sound, but it's easier to just get a polyphonic octave-up pedal.
Well, all kinds of things can kinda, sorta, be simulated; but they never really sound like the real thing.

If your concern is related to playing on stage, through PA, with a rack full of effects, then there are a number of places where a pedal or effect will get you "close enough"; but playing without electrons, in front of people, I will always prefer the actual whatever-it-is. And as an upright bassist, I commonly use an electric bass instead when the load-in is too crazy or because of other circumstances, so I'm not above bending to reality myself.
 
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The Byrds probably were the first band to feature an electric 12. A long time ago.
Well, not exactly…


In fact, McGuinn stated that while he thought he heard something like a 12-string on early Beatles records, it was only after viewing the train scene in A Hard Day's Night that he figured out what was going on…


There was all sorts of 12-string heard in the 80's besides Petty…




…and one that I didn't mention earlier…


…then this….
 
The trouble with a 12 string is that you spend half your time tuning it and the other half playing it out of tune . It is always a compromise with intonation . I am not a hater by any means and it can sound fantastic to fill out the sound of a solo singer/songwriter . If you have 2 guitarists , one tuned standard and one in Nashville tuning , it is a revelation .
As to whether they are not as popular , I couldn't say , but I can't remember the last time I saw one in a bricks and mortar shop . They are built like Panzer tanks to withstand the string tension so maybe all of the ones that were built in the 70s are still around :laugh: :laugh:
Can confirm. I sub in a cover band that struggles to play in tune even before the guitarist pulls out the 12-string. They occasionally call "Give A Little Bit" in the third set and I almost have time to go order a beer before the guitarist is ready.
 
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