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280 watts is enough? Gallien-Krueger 400RB-IV

Which one is better according to its features and sound quality?

  • Hartke TX600

    Votes: 8 8.2%
  • Gallien-Krueger 400RB-IV

    Votes: 89 91.8%

  • Total voters
    97
Hello everyone.
I am currently thinking of purchasing a GK 400RB-IV amp, the one that is supposed to deliver 280 watts at 4 ohms.
Now the question is, is 280 watts enough to play in open spaces?
I have two 1x12 cabinets, which together work at 4 ohms.
The amp I'm currently using is a hartke tx 600, which supposedly puts out 600 watts at 4 ohms, but I don't think it's 600 RMS.
Any experience with this amp?
Greetings from Chile.
 
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Hello everyone.
I am currently thinking of purchasing a GK 400RB-IV amp, the one that is supposed to deliver 280 watts at 4 ohms.
Now the question is, is 280 watts enough to play in open spaces?
I have two 1x12 cabinets, which together work at 4 ohms.
The amp I'm currently using is a hartke tx 600, which supposedly puts out 600 watts at 4 ohms, but I don't think it's 600 RMS.
Any experience with this amp?
Greetings from Chile.
The GK 400RB is a loud 280 watt amp. I used one with a 2x15" cabinet and it was very loud. If you have efficient speakers you should be able to play in most environments.
 
Welcome!

The GK 400RB is a legendary amp. They just sound great.

However, they are all getting older. That could lead to reliability issues.

Unless you just have plenty of money, I would probably get something newer. And I say that as someone who loves the 400RB.

Thanks for your answer.
The one I have seen is second-hand but it looks in very good condition, also you have to consider that it is the Mark IV, I understand that these were not made many years ago
 
Now the question is, is 280 watts enough to play in open spaces?

It all depends on how loud you need to be! How loud is your band, how big is that "open space," and how much noise (audience, passing trains, etc.) do you have to overcome?

My Traynor SB112 (200 watts, 1 12" speaker) is plenty for me, even outside. My Ampeg B-15N (35 watts, 1 15" speaker) would also do the job nicely. But your situation may be quite different.
 
I don't know for certain about this particular model, but Hartke does use "maximum watts" in model naming, website spec and ad/promotional text, which is always double what they give as RMS (when they give it), so this may all be moot.

I haven't used the 400RB, but I've used the 1001RB a few times and was very impressed with the sound and feel. From all I understand, "familial sound wise" the line has the same well known and highly regarded sound. I've used amps in various situations from 60 watts to 1,000 watts. This is a piece of pro gear, and running 2 x 12s at 4 ohms, personally, I have difficulty envision real world scenarios for myself where I could see feeling the need for just more power from the amp without other changes (like more speakers).

As often as people discuss the relationship between loudness and power here, it seems far less often that this understanding gets applied to discussions of this type of decision. That relationship is logarithmic where doubling of amp power creates a 3dB increase in loudness, and a 10dB increase is required to create a doubling of loudness.

If you are hypothetically using about half of the total capacity for loudness of an amp with a maximum output of 600 watts, the power output is around 60 watts. Now, just as amps don't have wattage gauges or dB meters, they don't have percentage of max loudness gauges either, but just in terms of some of the fairly easy to understand math, I think being number focused with wattage makes less sense. Personally, I've never run any amp I've owned at flat out full power, and it's never been the norm to set up and simply turn my amp up until it feels like I can't anymore. I realize that people really do face situations that are beyond an amp's capabilities, but my limits on output have always been what's appropriate for the situation, not turning the amp up until it has no more to give.

I can't tell you by ear precisely when a -3dB change in sound has occurred, but I think for this purpose a rough estimate works. If you assumed just for the sake of argument that the loudest you actually can/have ever turned the 600 watt amp up to is full power, then imagine turning that 600 watt amp up as loud as it can go and then turning it down by a noticeable amount and then another noticeable amount from there...it's very rough, but if the starting point really was 600 watts (which it probably wasn't really), then you'd likely be in the range of 100-200 watts. Getting ~150 watts from a 280 watt amp can be done just as readily as getting ~150 watts from a 600 watt amp.

IMO, given these two amps and the same 212 speaker setup (and admittedly having no knowledge of how your specific situations differ from mine), if the need for volume was beyond the 400RB it'd be likely that more speakers would be a greater benefit than the 600 watt amp.
 
I've had an older 400RB and gig the 700RBii. The 400RBiv will be a great amp for you. Worth keeping as a backup/home practice amp/small gig amp when it's time to upgrade if you start moving up to needing something more.

The clarity of tone in the GK stuff -- solid midrange/low mids -- plus the conservative rating means that it is a LOUD amp. Two single fifteens sound GREAT with these.
 
The 400rb is great through an 810 or my personal favorite, the old Mesa 2x15 diesel cabs. It's a great match for the super efficient EV's that came in those. Simple answer, 280 watts into an efficient cab or an 810 will be plenty loud. I've personally used it with both in many different situations and it's always done well. In fact, the last time I flew to LA I took one with me and used an old hartke cab that was backlined at the Whiskey and it was great.
 
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280 watts can be plenty loud. I still have a bit of tinitus from a band decades ago, when I was using an amp that had a whopping 90 watts. I never ran out of power with that amp, and with a couple of 115 cabs, it was LOUD. Just because you can buy amps with 1000 watts, that doesn't mean that kind of power is necessary in most situations.
 
If you can, I'd suggest springing for the 700RB-II...I own one and they are an absolute beast. All the same features as the 400RB, to my knowledge, but it's 480w of power. Used this with an Avatar neo 2x10 and have NEVER had volume issues in practice or small to medium gigs.

I have a 2x12 as well, but for most situations it's overkill for me. I'd still say the 400RB should do fine though, 280w is a lot more than it sounds like.
 
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Welcome!

The GK 400RB is a legendary amp. They just sound great.

However, they are all getting older. That could lead to reliability issues.

Unless you just have plenty of money, I would probably get something newer. And I say that as someone who loves the 400RB.
I have owned both the old versions of the 400RB and The 800RB. I now only have the 800 which I have owned since 1996 no problems. The key is to keep it protected in a road case. The 400 at 4 ohms was loud running 2 Hartke 4x10 cabinets
 
I've had my 400RB for about 15 years now, never had a gig it couldn't handle (not saying that would be the case for your situation). I recently had some issues and dropped a decent chunk of change on it, but it was worth it for me to keep it in top working condition. Sweet old amps!
 
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I've used a 400rb with a rumble 4x10 cab at 8 ohms and it did perfectly fine with headroom to spare in a "chill indie" type of band playing bars and a few smaller outdoor settings. I recently jammed with a more metal style drummer and had to crank it to about 3:00 but it still got the job done, although you probably don't wanna push an amp like that all the time. With two 12's unlocking all the wattage you'll probably be fine unless you're playing metal.
 
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My 400rb is from 1984, and it has seen quite a lot of play time. No experience with the Hartke. So take what I say as GK biased. But......
A 400rb into a crummy 1-10 cab might not do the trick. A 400rb into a Peavey 1820, a Peavey TVX 4x12, any 8x10 will be more than enough. Currently I run the 400rb into a GK 2x12 neo cab and it will be enough for anything I need it to do.
I don't know what brand or model your cabs are, but if they are good quality cabs, I would say yes, the amp will do the job.
 
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