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2x10 or 1x15 cabinet?
- Thread starter Figaro
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Is there a big difference in the sound between the Markbass 102HF Neo 2x10 cabinet and their 102P Traveler 2x10 cabinet? The Neo cabinet costs $50 more, is larger and weighs 17 lbs more.
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Cone area is moot, where total output is concerned total driver displacement (T/S spec Vd) is what matters. Besides, two tens don't have 20 inches of cone area, nor does a fifteen have 15 inches.
OP, you'll get about as many suggestions as you do posters. Try some cabs, buy the one you like. There are pros and cons to both options.
I think cone area was Pi x (D-2) x (D-2) or something like that. In any case, the 1x15 is larger.
Edit: I fail at geometry too, be gentle.
Edit: I fail at geometry too, be gentle.
I am always amazed when people ask a question like this without paying attention to or mentioning the frequency response of the cabinets. I would check that and see which gives you the greatest range. Typically, you will find that the 210 is a better option.
Here's a good read for you geometry freaks:
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This makes sense to me:
Exactly. Sure, a curved cone has more SURFACE area, but that doesn't relate directly. The radiating area of a speaker is only as large as it's diameter, period. A column of air is being moved, the shape of that column has no bearing on the amount moved (just an example). I'll TRY to make a Paint drawing to help explain it. Warbleed helped me with this when the eD flat coned speakers were released. I can assure you, they had all the output of a curved speaker.
I seriously don't know, I just was looking for stuff on cone area and how it relates to displacment.
And I always just thought 2 10" circles would be bigger than 1 15" circle. Call me a dumb*** I guess!
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This makes sense to me:
Exactly. Sure, a curved cone has more SURFACE area, but that doesn't relate directly. The radiating area of a speaker is only as large as it's diameter, period. A column of air is being moved, the shape of that column has no bearing on the amount moved (just an example). I'll TRY to make a Paint drawing to help explain it. Warbleed helped me with this when the eD flat coned speakers were released. I can assure you, they had all the output of a curved speaker.
I seriously don't know, I just was looking for stuff on cone area and how it relates to displacment.
And I always just thought 2 10" circles would be bigger than 1 15" circle. Call me a dumb*** I guess!
Frequency range is a byproduct of cabinet design and driver design, and you will find examples from both camps that out-perform other offerings. There is no typical.
wow, all this math crap. what ever happen to what SOUNDS better. All you guys love to hear yourself talk......wankers
To compare apples to apples as close as possible (same manufacturer), when I bought my Markbass combo, I A-B'd the Berlin (LMIII/1-15/no tweeter) and the LMIII/2-10/piezo tweeter) same bass, amp settings (and varied settings as well) and went home with the Berlin.(Also checked out the 1-12 combo and the 1-15 with tweeter.A-B-C-D'd, I guess)
Maybe it's my age (50) and musical history and Fender jazz and p bass preferences, but I still dig that 15.(or better yet 2 of 'em!)
Maybe it's my age (50) and musical history and Fender jazz and p bass preferences, but I still dig that 15.(or better yet 2 of 'em!)
2 cabs each housing an Eminence kappalite 3012LF, made of birch the cabs weigh about 23 pounds each. they are 8ohm but if the head paralelled it will drop to 4 ohms with both cabs hooked up. Best speaker on the market imo, and you don't have to lug one big old cab around. I'm currently building a pair tuned to 44hz using dual 4" aero ports. These speakers have a 95 sens and the Aero Ports add about 3bd! 23 pound speaker with a neo magnet driver weighing in at 9# and a 3/4" Birch cab weighing in at 23 pounds. For smaller gigs you only need one cab...they are rumored to output like a 15". I have the box and port design if you are intrested. BTW these are tuned to 44hz and play flat out to 1k...no mid needed really.
That's what I went for - both.
Both MB cabs can tilt in monitor possie too which adds to the fun.
I tend to take the 102 to small places for now but will try the 151 solo later.
I did see it suggested the 151 would add more at larger gigs where the sound has to get out a bit more than in a small pub or club.
Both cover all angles and weigh less than 60lbs in a sedan.
I'm new to this forum and I also have a question concerning combo amps. 2X10 vs. 1X15. I'm about to make a purchase and I have narrowed down some model choices. The Ashdown duel tube 330 Touring 210H or the 115H and the carvin BR515 or BR510. I have heard great reviews about Ashdown but I also like the Carvins with a tilt back feature as well. I can't decide if I want a 1X15 inch cab or a 2X10. Both are hybrids and are a affordable range and have most of the features I want such as high power, tube preamps and FX loops but it's hard to try them out when stores don't carry them. I've been playing for a number of years and looking back, the best tone I ever had was my Rickenbacker's and my Roland GR-77B running through a GK Rb-800 head, ART SGX night bass and an Ampeg 8X10 cab.
I'm not a slapper and popper I use a pick and also use allot of effects like distortions and time-delays etc. I like to get allot of different sounds like anywhere from punchy and crunchy metal, clean modern, funky sci-fi psychedelic weirdness and vintage tones found in older rock and Motown so I do need something versatile to reproduce those sound variations. I don't expect to achieve an 8X10 performance from a combo and I can't afford to get another GK RB 800 or 8X10, nor do i want to lug around a refrigerator size cab.
I did recently try a Marshall MB 4210 combo and I just could not get a good sound out of it. It had too much low end woof without definition and it also had a kind of clicky-clacky sound in the high end. I guess it was hard to get more mid range honky-ness but I'm sure that all 2X10s are not created equal with their tone and response. I have had several 1X15 solid state amps in the past and they seem to get more crunchy mid range that I like, but I really want a tube tone.
Right now I have a 2X15 cab that doesn't sound very good and lacks definition as well. I also have an older ampeg b-112 solid state 50 watt combo with a 1X12 and the tone sounds good until you try to turn it up. I do want the power and headroom to compete with a drummer while maintaining a smooth rich tone. I seem to have had better tone from a 4X10 or 8X10 instead of that 2X10 Marshall and I seem to also favor a 1X15 tone or even a 12 inch tone as opposed to 2X15. Maybe it has something to do with quicker transient response because I think an 8X10 is quicker than a 2X15 with transient attack. I'm just trying to get more info on 1X15 vs. 2X10. Any input would be appreciated.
I'm not a slapper and popper I use a pick and also use allot of effects like distortions and time-delays etc. I like to get allot of different sounds like anywhere from punchy and crunchy metal, clean modern, funky sci-fi psychedelic weirdness and vintage tones found in older rock and Motown so I do need something versatile to reproduce those sound variations. I don't expect to achieve an 8X10 performance from a combo and I can't afford to get another GK RB 800 or 8X10, nor do i want to lug around a refrigerator size cab.
I did recently try a Marshall MB 4210 combo and I just could not get a good sound out of it. It had too much low end woof without definition and it also had a kind of clicky-clacky sound in the high end. I guess it was hard to get more mid range honky-ness but I'm sure that all 2X10s are not created equal with their tone and response. I have had several 1X15 solid state amps in the past and they seem to get more crunchy mid range that I like, but I really want a tube tone.
Right now I have a 2X15 cab that doesn't sound very good and lacks definition as well. I also have an older ampeg b-112 solid state 50 watt combo with a 1X12 and the tone sounds good until you try to turn it up. I do want the power and headroom to compete with a drummer while maintaining a smooth rich tone. I seem to have had better tone from a 4X10 or 8X10 instead of that 2X10 Marshall and I seem to also favor a 1X15 tone or even a 12 inch tone as opposed to 2X15. Maybe it has something to do with quicker transient response because I think an 8X10 is quicker than a 2X15 with transient attack. I'm just trying to get more info on 1X15 vs. 2X10. Any input would be appreciated.
I've had both. Not a fan of the tweeter in the Traveler series. Compare to the New York series if you can. Fwiw I ended up with a Mesa 2x12 instead.
15's usually throw the sound a little more into the room before you can hear them properly, so , I think it would also depend on where you stand relative to the cab and size of the room(s) as well.. in deciding which to use PP
I have both a 115 and a 210. I like the 210 better.
Get this: http://www.schroedercabinets.com/PL-210.htm
There is one in the "Store" section of the Schroeder website for $500
Get this: http://www.schroedercabinets.com/PL-210.htm
There is one in the "Store" section of the Schroeder website for $500
