The 150w rating for the S2010 is RMS. They will handle about double that for MI use. Two of them have ample power handling for that amp, a long as you are not applying excessive bass boost.
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2x10 Speaker Recommendations
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Edit- the following is barking up wrong tree, see subsequent posts.
I would buy the 16 ohm ones. What, why not get full power?? Because you seem totally bent on extracting maximum performance. You can add a diy 210 copy of the cab to stack 8 ohm cabs.
There was a guy with two of the Rumble 350 combos. It took a bit but I convinced him, via the 'vertical believer' thread, to turn them on their sides for a tall vertical column stack. He eventually trIed it and became a believer too.
I would buy the 16 ohm ones. What, why not get full power?? Because you seem totally bent on extracting maximum performance. You can add a diy 210 copy of the cab to stack 8 ohm cabs.
There was a guy with two of the Rumble 350 combos. It took a bit but I convinced him, via the 'vertical believer' thread, to turn them on their sides for a tall vertical column stack. He eventually trIed it and became a believer too.
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Not a bad idea.
You may need to pad down the tweeter a bit though if you play without the 210 copy.
Downunderwonder, where did you find the 16ohm version of the S2010? Are the TSP's the same?
You may need to pad down the tweeter a bit though if you play without the 210 copy.
Downunderwonder, where did you find the 16ohm version of the S2010? Are the TSP's the same?
Sorry, lead astray by google's page distillation. No 16ohm s2010.
How about those Deltas? They come in 16ohm.
How about those Deltas? They come in 16ohm.
Deltalite 2510 MKII? it comes in 4ohms so then you would need to wire them in series and that is something I don't recommend.
Due to manufacturing tolerances the impedance may vary around the Fs, this isn't problematic with parallel wiring but it may give unequal power distribution when wiring drivers in series. If you want to use series wiring then make sure each drivers gets it's own compartment to minimize these effects.
Btw. my experience with the 2510 MKII isn't very good (this means I don't like how it behaves when it exceeds xmax), the same is true with the regular Delta 10's....
Below comparison between S2010 (8ohms) black curve and 2510 MKII (4ohms) red curve, as you can see the 2510MKII isn't an as good match as the S2010.
Comment: due to the 4ohm impedance you need to substract 3dB from the red curve to make a fair comparison between these two drivers.
Series wiring not my cup of tea either, but out of interest what's wrong with the red curve -3dB?
How's xmax limited power handling and SPL of 4 x 16 ohm regular old Deltas?
How's xmax limited power handling and SPL of 4 x 16 ohm regular old Deltas?
The S2010 has better low-end extension compared to the 2510MkII which already starts to take a flight down at 100hz
. Let's say it's a matter of taste, some may like the early drop off.I'll do a sim for the ol'Delta's lateron.
I reviewed the OP's posts in this thread and do not see this ('bent on extracting maximum performance', presumably spl). Nonetheless, the Delta 10B's (16 ohm, in parallel) will work fine in the Rumble cab. As suggested, a second identical cab could be built, and the two could be stacked, and wired in parallel. The power handling would be more than adequate (about 130w each driver at Fh).
For slightly more driver costs, but no extra cab, the Kappalite 3010B's are a plug-n-play solution ($360 pr vs $320 2 pr of delta 10b's). Yields an EBS alignment with the bass knee at about 52 Hz, 400+ w each driver, and the same sensitivity as the 2-210 cab Delta 10B's, but in one cab. Just turn the Rumble cab on its side for better dispersion.
Note to the OP: please verify the shelf port dimensions before ordering. Cab tuning can make or break our recommendations.
Here's a comparison between the 3010MB black curve (you meant that one Astrosonic?), the Delta 10A green curve and the Delta 10B red curve. You have to add 3dB to the red curve since the Delta 10B is a 16ohm driver.
The 3010MB has a large bump around 60hz, this will yield a very undefined muddy bass sound
The Delta 10A isn't very suitable either, alrge bump around 100hz.
The Delta 10B has a good response, not as good as the S2010 though.
The 3010MB has a large bump around 60hz, this will yield a very undefined muddy bass sound
The Delta 10A isn't very suitable either, alrge bump around 100hz.
The Delta 10B has a good response, not as good as the S2010 though.
The Eminence BP102 are $74.99 each. Free shipping. Musicians Friend, Music123, Sweetwater, Zzounds, Pro Audio Land.
I meant the Kappalite 3010HO: [Invalid or Expired Link Removed] (guess I had the Delta 10B on my mind). In the Rumble cab (Fb=52Hz) it will have an EBS alignment (shelving at about -6db, with the LF knee at 53 Hz) - actually quite similar (bass response) to a JBL E140 (3 cf, Fb=41Hz). It should have plenty of articulate bass with audibly useful fundamental if desired, and will get as loud as four Delta 10B's.
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You could probably give Fender customer service an e-mail for their recommendations, too. Eminence Deltas seem a fit to me.
Nice driver, but not in that cab unless you're after a mid-bass rich tone, and don't mind the relatively low sensitivity. If you are after a bass rich tone the BP102 has sensitivity where it counts. However, the OP is not interested in a bass rich tone. He's interested in a more mid-centered tone.
I included the 3010HO, blue curve, just slightly better then the 3010MB.
What worries me about the 3010HO is the steep curve starting at 400hz, pitty they don't show the impedance plot else we could see if there's some kind of unwanted resonance going on. The 3010B doesn't have this issue.
To sum things up.
If the OP only wants the combo without an extra cabinet the S2010 is without doubt the best choice.
If the OP wants an extra 210 cab he needs 16ohm drivers, in that case the Delta 10B is a good choice.
What worries me about the 3010HO is the steep curve starting at 400hz, pitty they don't show the impedance plot else we could see if there's some kind of unwanted resonance going on. The 3010B doesn't have this issue.
To sum things up.
If the OP only wants the combo without an extra cabinet the S2010 is without doubt the best choice.
If the OP wants an extra 210 cab he needs 16ohm drivers, in that case the Delta 10B is a good choice.
God Bless Eminence as they provide recommended speaker enclosure info. Large vented, small vented, large sealed, small sealed and medium sealed and for dual 10 and quad 10 cabs. Each cab produces different frequency specs and power specs. Only the large vented cab produces deep, low end. The other cabs are mid range strong.
The dimensions of the Fender cab can be compared to BP102 recommended cabs for an idea of how much mids.
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Looks like classic 41 Hz tuning. For a plug-n-play solution (no tuning mod) the S2010 still works acceptably, and better than the Delta 10B or the K-lite 3010HO. The S2010 has a gently rolled response in the bass (F3 74 Hz), with a nearly flat upper bass - seems desirable for your tone preferences. If you wanted a 'full' (but not overly rich) bass, the Dayton PA255-8 would work quite well - you would likely want to turn the bass down a few DB for a mid-dominant, clanky tone. A pair of 3010HO's would still be the loudest, but the sound would be pretty thin/lean.
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