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2x12s?

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SixStrings

Oct 5, 2007
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#1
So I hate how heavy and bulky my 410 is, and I wanted to replace it with a 210. That is, until I learned that you can buy 212s. Which raised a whole host of questions (in addition to ones I already had):
-Can you get a decent 212 for <$500? <$300?
-Can you use 212s made for guitar?
-What are the differences between 212s and 210s?
-If I don't go with a MAG 210, what would be some good options in a simiar price range to go with?

Thanks
 
#2
SixStrings said:
-Can you use 212s made for guitar?
-What are the differences between 212s and 210s?
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-A 2x12 cab made for guitar will be designed to reproduce frequencies from 100hz and up, and demanding that it reproduce frequencies from 40-100 hz will likely result in distorted sound, to be immediately followed by blown speakers.

-Best to pick a particular pair of drivers that will do the job you want them to do with regard to volume, frequency and the needed dimensions for their cabinet and ask from there. Any differences in speakers have more to do with the specific driver parameters than with the difference in size between 12" and 10".
 
#3
+1 on both points. And as far as the Mag 210 and competing cabs, I'd say try before you buy if at all possible. One person's tonal heaven is another's wet fart, so don't rely too much on internet reviews. All of the major brands have their fans and their detractors.
 
#5
Avatar 212. i've been happy with mine, just watch the crossover...



FWIW... 12's have a more present low mid sound... not as much ultra low, but with a good PA i hardly notice. 12's bring out the growl in just about everything. i love 'em with my jazz and my P-Bass. very angry, authoritative, and sits well in the mix.
 
#6
I am using an Aguilar GS212 for gigging. It is not all that small compared to a 410, but much lighter. My guitarist played bass on a few songs the other night and I was able to listen to it from the floor. He cranked my bass EQ knob all the way up (probably thinking it was the volume!) and I have to say it sounded pretty chest-thumping good even though the amp was clipping. I think it's in your price range too.
 
#8
12's have a more present low mid sound... not as much ultra low
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Not as much ultra low as a 15 but more than 10s, to be sure. I play a Dr Bass 212 and love it. I found 10s sounded nice but didn't project anywhere near as well as the 12's did. 12's combine the virtues of 10s (more detailed high and high mid) and 15s (better low capability) and add a low mid component neither 10s nor 15s have. IMHO. Try cabs out yourself - don't take anybody's word for this stuff, because getting a "sound" is the most individual thing we do and often is not articulated very well. Another thing a lot of folks are doing with 12s is stacking 112 cabs - just bring however many you need. Save your back. ;)
 
#11
The Eminence Deltalite-II 2512 is a great 12" driver. It has a very tasty, rising high end to about 2500 Hz. You can cross it over to a tweeter or array of tweeters without a mid driver. Wired in parallel, you can expect about 103 SPL at 1w/1m in the midbass range.

Properly enclosed, the 2512 has an F3 around 38 Hz. Internal cabinet volume is 3.5 to 4.6 cubic feet, depending upon alignment. This is somewhat large, and is more portable if built as a pair of 1x12. Size is 25H x 22W x 20D. I am building a pair of these for myself right now. The intended use is modest volume and full bottom for small venues without full PA support. They are a bit large as a stage monitor for venues with full PA support.

Basslite S2010 works very well for stage monitor use. They are flat to 67 Hz in less than one cubic foot. A 2x10 slot port version is 25H x 16W x 12D, and weighs about 25 pounds in 1/2" baltic birch. Wired entirely in parallel as two 4-ohm cabs running on separate amp channels, you can expect 107 SPL in the midbass range.
 
#15
I guess Im too old school. I like to hear my sound on the stage while Im playing. Recently played an outdoor church bazarr where a well known local band setup thier massive PA system cause they were closing the nite and wanted thier PA there. I was told not to bring a cab, they had one on stage. When I got there they had a GK 210 combo, maybe 400/700 didn't really notice. So I plug in my G&L L2500 in passive, set some settings on the amp that I usually use and tried to get a good sorta low sound out of it. It was very tinny, highs, distorted, no lows at all. I usually use a 212 or 410 on stage with or without PA support. I was told the FOH sounded awesome but I hated my stage sound, I kept fiddeling with my bass knobs to get a good tone, never happened. It was only 2 sets so I tolerated it but it really made me struggle to get into the tunes with the sound I was hearing on stage. So was this just a real preference on my part or is some quality stage sound really necessary on stage? No biggee, just b*tchin abit.
Oh and to stay on topic, I just ordered a GB Neox212T to go with my GBE 600, 425 watts into 4 ohms. Just sold 3 different cabs tonite I usually use. I wanted a single 4 ohm cab instead of my usual 2-8ohms to haul around. Again, hope its the sound Im wanting. Or more b*tch, b*tch, b*tch to come.
 

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