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34"Scale vs. 35" Scale

My Carl Thompson is a 36" 6 fretless with passive PUPs. It is louder than all of my active basses and NONE touch the playability of the low B and E. The rest of the strings aren't as noticeably tighter as the larger gauge strings.

Carl's personal bass is a 38" 4 fretless. It is a Tone Monster

Just my opinion and my experiences
 
To those who have played them, how does 36" scale feel compared to 35" I'm a small guy, 5'6" with pretty small hands. If I extend my fingers all the way out, it's only about 6" from my index to my pinky. Is a 36" scale bass noticeable larger than a 35"? Most 36" basses I've seen have extended fret range (26-28), so I was curious if it just had to do with the extra frets and not so much the spacing...maybe I'm wrong.

35"s can be a little tricky for me, so I was just curious what a 36" would be like.
 
Sustain is a little better in a 35" , but the action is a little sloppy - if you play fast or funk or Jaco-like stuff you will need a 34" . If you play 80's rock ballads like Journey or Foreigner you'll love a 35".

the 35" strings will vibrate a little wider and if your bass is not set up properly, strings tend to buzz against the frets if you pull too hard, especially near the mid section of the bass around the 12th fret or sometimes the near the nut were the strings a just a few mm away from the frets. - in my experience, when you own a 35" you get a better fuller natural sound from the added length of string and more vibration. but it can be annoying playing hard and fast simultaneously. slapping takes extra precision on a 35" if you play fast.

34" is widely accepted as the best ballance between good action and a playable tight sound and enough string resonance. bigger than 35 and your strings turn to noodles. shorter than 34" and you loose sustain and warmth.

ummm..this is the opposite of my experience, and I own an 34 and a 35 1/4. Can you cite specific examples?
 
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When I was playing regularly I had a 34" scale Deluxe Jazz 4 and a 35" scale Modulus 5. The cost of the two was similar but to me there was a definite difference in the feel of the basses. The Modulus played much nicer, sounded better and had a very clear and well defined B String. Strictly from a players stand point it would win in a shootout 9 times out of 10.

What made the Modulus sit at home more was that it was far more difficult for me to do vocals when I was playing the Modulus. There was just enough difference in the two that things I could play subconsciously on the Jazz Bass could not be done that way on the Modulus. I doubt most players would have even noticed that small difference but to me it was huge.

Well I guess everyone has their quirks, but Hey, I own a modulus (35) and a Fender Deluxe V (34). And personally I'm of the "how can people make such a fuss over an almost imperceptible one inch" opinion? OK, my Modulus has my BEST (to die for) B string and the Fender the worst (barely acceptable). But I really don't get it. MY Ken smith (34) has virtually as good a B string as the Modulus. So do my G&Ls. (34). If anything it's the carbon fiber neck on the Modulus that makes the difference. Sure I notice a difference in fret spacing on my short scale basses but not between the 34 and 35. Maybe if they were fretless I'd notice it ... for about 10 seconds, but fretted I think it's all just exaggeration.

I tell you true, THE biggest problem with 35" scales vs 34" scales is the hassle getting extra long strings for it. But then my G&Ls (34") need extra long strings too if you string through the body. And I do vocals with equal ease with ANY of my basses including the 35" scale.

The thing that tells me it's the overall bass and not the scale length is that my Fender V (34") has a sort of blah B string, but word is that all the latest ones have a great B string because they changed something in the design to make the B better. But the ONE thing they did NOT change was the scale length (still 34")
 
Have you ever noticed that the D and G string sounds weaker on a 35 scale bass? My new 35 scale gecko warmoth sounds really great on the H,E and A string, but the hightest strings just dosent have that meat. My other 34 basses have a much more "even" sound between the strings. And I have tried saddle- and pickup-adjustments
 
The way I see it B string performance is more linked to construction (primarily neck stiffness IMO) than scale length and I think string choice and technique are more important that most people realize as well.

That said, all other things being equal, adding an inch in scale length will add tension and thus improve E and B string performance and clarity.

Sustain is a little better in a 35" , but the action is a little sloppy - if you play fast or funk or Jaco-like stuff you will need a 34" . If you play 80's rock ballads like Journey or Foreigner you'll love a 35".

the 35" strings will vibrate a little wider and if your bass is not set up properly, strings tend to buzz against the frets if you pull too hard, especially near the mid section of the bass around the 12th fret or sometimes the near the nut were the strings a just a few mm away from the frets. - in my experience, when you own a 35" you get a better fuller natural sound from the added length of string and more vibration. but it can be annoying playing hard and fast simultaneously. slapping takes extra precision on a 35" if you play fast.

34" is widely accepted as the best ballance between good action and a playable tight sound and enough string resonance. bigger than 35 and your strings turn to noodles. shorter than 34" and you loose sustain and warmth.

I realize this is an old thread but there is quite a bit of misinformation in this post.

The action of a bass has nothing to do with scale and everything to do with construction and setup. There's no reason the action on a 35" would be inherently "sloppy".

The vibrations of a 35 scale are SMALLER than that of a 34" scale given the same amount of attack because of the higher tension. The notion that the string "sags" in the middle under it's own weight like a clothesline is ridiculous. These are stainless strings, at high tension and the 35" scale adds exactly ONE inch to the speaking length.

Your strings certainly do not turn to noodles above 35" scale - quite the opposite. And you don't lose "warmth" with shorter than 34" scales, you gain it. All else being equal the strings are looser and that translates to big, bassy and warm notes that do lack the clarity and attack of longer scales.

It's quite easy to test any and all of these notions by simply (and CAREFULLY) tuning your bass down or up and seeing the effect on the strings and sound.

Have you ever noticed that the D and G string sounds weaker on a 35 scale bass? My new 35 scale gecko warmoth sounds really great on the H,E and A string, but the hightest strings just dosent have that meat. My other 34 basses have a much more "even" sound between the strings. And I have tried saddle- and pickup-adjustments

What you're likely experiencing is that the higher tension means less string vibration and thus not as much volume for a given amount of attack which is especially noticeable on the D and G. The D string particularly is often the highest tenstion string to begin with.

Increasing scale length obviously increases tension and can add clarity to the E and B strings but of course it also changes the timbre of the lighter strings as well. Whether or not you like that change is personal preference.

Some solutions to getting more even string response are to use a multiscale setup as Dingwall and others do or to use "balanced tension" string sets of which there are now a few different options.

Otherwise for a given scale and traditional strings it will always be a compromise.
 
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As with so many variables, extended scale length isn't better/worse than traditional 34", it's just different.

I had no trouble playing 35" scale. It's just a 3% difference in length, I did not notice a difference in feel. And in the grand scheme of things, the difference in timbre is slight... you'll notice a bigger difference trying a different brand of strings. Still, I went back to 34" because I prefer the slightly more traditional timbre, and even the B string sounds killer: as with any bass, it just needs proper action and intonation (more critical on the thicker strings).
 
Well I guess everyone has their quirks, but Hey, I own a modulus (35) and a Fender Deluxe V (34). And personally I'm of the "how can people make such a fuss over an almost imperceptible one inch" opinion? OK, my Modulus has my BEST (to die for) B string and the Fender the worst (barely acceptable). But I really don't get it. MY Ken smith (34) has virtually as good a B string as the Modulus. So do my G&Ls. (34). If anything it's the carbon fiber neck on the Modulus that makes the difference. Sure I notice a difference in fret spacing on my short scale basses but not between the 34 and 35. Maybe if they were fretless I'd notice it ... for about 10 seconds, but fretted I think it's all just exaggeration.

I agree with you across the board. The Modulus Quantum I owned had the best B string I ever heard -- if you like piano clarity, anyway. But that was true for every string on that bass, and I prefer the more traditional timbre of wood neck and 34" scale. Ken Smith B strings are awesome IME, and so are the B strings on my Sadowskys. I also liked the B strings on my Fender Roscoe Beck fivers when properly set up, but the locking bridge saddles made setup/intonation a royal pain on that bass. :(
 
Thread resurrection!

Trading some basses around and ending up with 2 MTD 535’s. Been playing 34” basses for ever, I’ve owned one 35, Lakland DJ5. It wasn’t too difficult to get used to. I’ve never experienced a floppy B on my 5ers (Warwick’s with Tapered B string) Any out there who have switched to a MTD and found the scale just too long? I love the look and sound of these basses, just hope I can play them well!
 
I have 2 Marco Basses, a 34" Four and a 34.5" Five. The 34 has a familiar Fender feel, the 34.5 is only .5" longer but i can definitely feel the difference, i have to pay more attention to be sure i fret clean. The B on the 34.5 is truly amazing but there is something about 34 that just feels and sounds right to most folks because that is what we have been hearing and playing all of our lives.

Same maker but two different animals, mostly the feel.
 
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I honestly think the complaints of the 35' scale basses being to long is overblown. I'm average height and reach and have no issues at all with either scale and I have owned many of each. I just can't tell any difference between the 2 myself and definitely not enough to make a difference. Having said that I have owned some 34' scale masses that had as good a B string as any 35' scale you will find. But most 35' scale will have a better B string on average IMO.
 
Scale length is just one factor in how "long" a bass feels. Body shape and bridge position figure prominently and frankly can easily swamp out the extra 1". My Rob Allen Deep 5 with 35" scale plays shorter than all of the 34" scale basses I've owned.

I agree... I have a 34" Brute that feels like a shorter scale because of the way it is put together..

As for Lakland, the 35" has EVERYTHING to do with the sound of the B....that is how they get it to ring so clear etc...also, they "fool" with the neck pocket and bridge placement so it is NOT a true 1" more reach....
persoanlly, I find the 35; comfy...but that is me....I know others who do not find it so comfortable.

I agree .... actually like both.. I have 3 35"s and one 34" ... but I could go either way.

I really enjoyed reading this thread. I do not know the difference between a 34" & 35" but I'm about to find out. I just had a winning bid on a Lakland 55-01 off ebay. After 40+ years of plunking on a 4, I'm giving a 5 a try. If I adjust, I'll get me a US 55-94. Wish me luck.

I love my 55-01.. I really like the feel of the Lakland basses.. the body..
 
I have 2 Marco Basses, a 34" Four and a 34.5" Five. The 34 has a familiar Fender feel, the 34.5 is only .5" longer but i can definitely feel the difference, i have to pay more attention to be sure i fret clean. The B on the 34.5 is truly amazing but there is something about 34 that just feels and sounds right to most folks because that is what we have been hearing and playing all of our lives.

Same maker but two different animals, mostly the feel.

Yep, I play both scale length Marco Basses quite often since I am working on electronics with Marco. That little bitty .5" difference definitely messed me up a bit as I transitioned from a 34" fretless from someone else to my 34.5" Marco 5. But just having frets after being fretless-only for nearly 35 years was a much bigger deal.
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