good idea. I think I might. I've looked at them for quite awhile and at some point the drooling must end.
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Is it that heavy? I read some reviews that it was easy to transport because it has 2 little built in wheels on the back bottom of it and has sliding strips on the back and handles on the sides and top back for easy transport, so they say. When I get enough money that's going to be my next cab, I wanted a 4x10 but that's too low and 2 4x10's is just too much, but one of these Mesa PowerHouse 4x12" cabs is perfect at 1,200watts 4ohms and I'm going to put 5" caster wheels on the bottom then it will stand 50"s tall so when you step back a few feet the top 300watt 12" speaker with tweeter next to it will be very close to your ears so I don't need a second cab on top and I'm only a couple inch's shy of 6 feet. Also that cab is 25" wide over 2 feet . 4 - 300watt 12" Bass speakers at 1,200watts is going to push out so massive air. I can't wait to get one. Go to SweetWater.com and read the reviews, it will make you want one bad.That 4x12" PowerHouse weighs more than my wife. I can't lift her, either.
you saying my wife is fat?
Mesa website said either 137 or 136 lbs. If i put my wife on roller blades, I can move her, too. For that weight, I'm getting an SVT - I think they weigh 135. And then there is that Barefaced cab - loud as an SVT and weighs 37 lbs.
No, I was asking if the Mesa 4x12" cab was heavy, because a lot of people were saying its easy to transport, so I was thinking it was not bad at all to move around. From what you said for some reason it was making it out to be heavy,you saying my wife is fat?
Mesa website said either 137 or 136 lbs. If i put my wife on roller blades, I can move her, too. For that weight, I'm getting an SVT - I think they weigh 135. And then there is that Barefaced cab - loud as an SVT and weighs 37 lbs.
Because you said you couldn't lift it or her. The back is kind of made like a dolly.
Any Barefaced owners out there feel free to chime in with corrections, but I think it would take the Big Twin II (with requisite power) to get into SVT 810 territory and the BT2 are either 49 lbs (w/steel grille) or 46 lbs (w/cloth grille).you saying my wife is fat?
Mesa website said either 137 or 136 lbs. If i put my wife on roller blades, I can move her, too. For that weight, I'm getting an SVT - I think they weigh 135. And then there is that Barefaced cab - loud as an SVT and weighs 37 lbs.
How'd you know her name is Dolly?No, I was asking if the Mesa 4x12" cab was heavy, because a lot of people were saying its easy to transport, so I was thinking it was not bad at all to move around. From what you said for some reason it was making it out to be heavy,
Because you said you couldn't lift it or her. The back is kind of made like a dolly.
I's like to hear from some Barefaced owners too. And BF website says: "It's the first 2x12" to compete with great 4x12" and 8x10" cabs for tone, bottom and loudness."
And yes, 46lbs. If I said otherwise I apologize. But 46 lbs, man that's light for a two 12.
Adding fuel to the fire. Played through two amps tonight: My GK MB800 into two GK NEO 115-III cabs, and then an SVT-4 into an Ampeg 410HLF. The Ampeg ate the GK's lunch for depth, low end and punch. The GK was crazy loud, but I had trouble controlling the high end in the GK, which is a problem I always have with that rig. FYI: I used to have a GK NEO 410 paired with the MB800, and it was boomy and hard to control without having the fullness/depth that the Ampeg did.
Ampeg wins tonight's round. Why am I not looking at Ampeg? A question for my shrink, if I had one. sigh.
Ampeg wins tonight's round. Why am I not looking at Ampeg? A question for my shrink, if I had one. sigh.
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When I posted earlier in the thread, I'd forgotten that "4 ohms" was stipulated... pretty clearly, I might add.
Okay my recommendation is Mike Arnopol's MAS-112. Yes I know it's "only" a 112 but it will compete favorably with a good 410 in SPL, and it will go much deeper than all but a few 410s. Where it will really shines is in articulation. You'll be able to play sixteenth notes on an open B-string and it won't turn into a wall of mud. The enclosure technology he uses does not have the resonant overhang that a bass reflex (ported) cab does, but it goes much deeper than a comparable sealed cab - best of both worlds, arguably. I hate competing against him because there are things his cabs can do that mine can't. But if what you want is "very deep and articulate", imo what Mike is doing is state of the art.
Another thing Mike's cabs do extremely well is, dispersion. Your tone will be much more even across the venue, so everyone will be able to hear your overtones and tell what notes you're playing (which is not always the case with a 410). His 112 will beat any 410 in existence that I am aware of in this respect.
He's using a custom high-power 12" woofer that moves roughly twice as much air as a regular 12, and the enclosure technology he uses successfully harvests the backwave energy all the way up to about 4 kHz, so competing with a very good 410 is totally within his cab's capability. Unfortunately I do not know the dimensions and weight; it is large for a 112, but it is not large for what it does.
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Thanks for the mention, Duke.
The MAS112 is your typical kindof weird MAS form factor 32 high by 15 1/2 wide by 18 1/2 deep and around 44#. The woofer is totally custom and it does indeed go about as loud as a 410. 4 ohms, 100db efficiency. 600 watts power handling
Also---a pair of the MAS109's would do the trick. Again, custom long excursion woofer. This cab is 8 ohms and is 28" by 13 1/2 x 15 1/2and around 34#. Two of these cabs will easily beat a 410 in volume but these go much deeper. Power handling per cab is 550 watts.Efficiency for one cab is 97db--so again, for two 109's the efficiency would be around 100db.
The MAS112 is your typical kindof weird MAS form factor 32 high by 15 1/2 wide by 18 1/2 deep and around 44#. The woofer is totally custom and it does indeed go about as loud as a 410. 4 ohms, 100db efficiency. 600 watts power handling
Also---a pair of the MAS109's would do the trick. Again, custom long excursion woofer. This cab is 8 ohms and is 28" by 13 1/2 x 15 1/2and around 34#. Two of these cabs will easily beat a 410 in volume but these go much deeper. Power handling per cab is 550 watts.Efficiency for one cab is 97db--so again, for two 109's the efficiency would be around 100db.
Answering my own question: Because I no longer trust their reliability. I had a PF800 which went belly-up within hours of opening the box. And then there are the reports of this happening with the PF500s (an amp whose sound I really like, but just don't trust). Can't bring myself to pull the trigger on Ampeg, so I have to do it another way.
You mentioned Aguilar SL, someone else mentioned Aguilar GS. I'll mention the DB series. All Aguilar series 410s are available in 4 or 8 ohm.
