4-Ohm 410?

[tzdroik]

Somebody probably already mentioned Mesa. I have a Mesa Powerhouse 410 that is 4ohm. I pair it with my Prodigy and it roars

 

[Lowendtech]

DNA, DNS410. Had one and loved it. As mentioned already, it is a beast. Only sold it to get a (more expensive unfortuntely) modular rig. But for volume, I never needed more.

 

[iriegnome]

no really. everyone makes them. I am pretty partial to my DNA DNS-410 though.

 

[hover]

I'd be more interested in the efficiency of the 8ohm version vs the 4ohm, as unless you're runnin tubes where it matters more for the OT impedance matching, your db output at 4 vs 8 ohms will not be drastically different.

 

[Dan Bass]

I'm doing a survey to find out who makes a 4-ohm 410. Top of my current list are two cabs not out yet: GK CX410-4 and Aguilar SL410x. Feel free to comment on those and also add to the list, but it has to be 4-Ohm. Thanks.

Carvin makes the BRX 4x10 cab that's 4ohm. and has 4 - 300watt 10" woofers with a titanium tweeter all 1,200watts.
Also Mesa Boogie makes the 4x12" PowerHouse cab a vertical 4ohm. cab that stands 45" tall and a little over 2 feet wide and has 4 - 300watt PowerHouse speakers with tweeter, also rated 1,200watts.

 

[bdplaid]

4 of Barefaced 9 current models are 8 ohm cabs - three 1x12 cabs & one 1x10 cab.
They don't make a 4x10 though of any impedance.

I didn't look through their whole catalog. I was looking at the Big Twin. Looks as though the single speaker cabs are 8 ohm, the dual speaker are 4.

Maybe I should restate my goal; I was asking about a 410, but what I'm really after is an articulate cab with good mids and lots of deep bass. The Big Twin looks like it will do that. Other 12 cabs I've had were really good at articulation, but not so much the extended low end. Hope that clears up some some stuff, I realize it's a divergence from the original question.

 

[bdplaid]

Carvin makes the BRX 4x10 cab that's 4ohm. and has 4 - 300watt 10" woofers with a titanium tweeter all 1,200watts.
Also Mesa Boogie makes the 4x12" PowerHouse cab a vertical 4ohm. cab that stands 45" tall and a little over 2 feet wide and has 4 - 300watt PowerHouse speakers with tweeter, also rated 1,200watts.View attachment 824468

That Mesa looks wild.

 

[bdplaid]

A lot of the suggestions have been for cabs that are essentially ancient designs. I sincerely appreciate it, but I really have to question companies that are asking primo money for cabs that weigh 96 lbs. I've built my fair share of cabs, and it doesn't take a whole lot of expertise to make a stiff, solid cab that weighs a ton. Where I want to put my money is in a modern-engineered lightweight cab that sounds better than the old, boomy ones.

 

[John D Harris]

I didn't look through their whole catalog. I was looking at the Big Twin. Looks as though the single speaker cabs are 8 ohm, the dual speaker are 4.

Maybe I should restate my goal; I was asking about a 410, but what I'm really after is an articulate cab with good mids and lots of deep bass. The Big Twin looks like it will do that. Other 12 cabs I've had were really good at articulation, but not so much the extended low end. Hope that clears up some some stuff, I realize it's a divergence from the original question.

The Big Twin II & the Big Baby II both have a very solid, deep low end, great articulation, & smooth, but present highs with a unique HF control that functions like a variable crossover - not only lowering amount of the HF signal to the HF driver, but increasing the frequency crossover point.
As you turn the control CCW from HF fully up, eventually it sends all the signal to the 12", so that it is running full-range - very cool feature!
[You Barefaced owners correct me if I'm wrong, but that's what I've gotten from the Barefaced info.]
BTW: there's a review of the powered version of the Big Baby II by @tombowlus somewhere on BGM.

 

[John D Harris]

A lot of the suggestions have been for cabs that are essentially ancient designs. I sincerely appreciate it, but I really have to question companies that are asking primo money for cabs that weigh 96 lbs. I've built my fair share of cabs, and it doesn't take a whole lot of expertise to make a stiff, solid cab that weighs a ton. Where I want to put my money is in a modern-engineered lightweight cab that sounds better than the old, boomy ones.

The Audiokinesis ThunderChild 212 would fit your requirements extremely well as well.

 

[bdplaid]

The Big Twin II & the Big Baby II both have a very solid, deep low end, great articulation, & smooth, but present highs with a unique HF control that functions like a variable crossover - not only lowering amount of the HF signal to the HF driver, but increasing the frequency crossover point.
As you turn the control CCW from HF fully up, eventually it sends all the signal to the 12", so that it is running full-range - very cool feature!
[You Barefaced owners correct me if I'm wrong, but that's what I've gotten from the Barefaced info.]
BTW: there's a review of the powered version of the Big Baby II by @tombowlus somewhere on BGM.

If that's true about the crossover, it's the way it ought to be. One of the things I always hated about simply turning down the tweeter is that the freq response overall will be choked in the top end, because then the crossover is filtering OUT all the info above the xover point.

 

[bdplaid]

The Audiokinesis ThunderChild 212 would fit your requirements extremely well as well.

Good one to look at, thanks, but I don't now if I could get used to it's appearance. It's only 14.5 inches wide!

 

[bdplaid]

Carvin makes the BRX 4x10 cab that's 4ohm. and has 4 - 300watt 10" woofers with a titanium tweeter all 1,200watts.
Also Mesa Boogie makes the 4x12" PowerHouse cab a vertical 4ohm. cab that stands 45" tall and a little over 2 feet wide and has 4 - 300watt PowerHouse speakers with tweeter, also rated 1,200watts.View attachment 824468

That 4x12" PowerHouse weighs more than my wife. I can't lift her, either.

 

[tombowlus]

BTW: there's a review of the powered version of the Big Baby II by @tombowlus somewhere on BGM.

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[John D Harris]

If that's true about the crossover, it's the way it ought to be. One of the things I always hated about simply turning down the tweeter is that the freq response overall will be choked in the top end, because then the crossover is filtering OUT all the info above the xover point.

Some designers run the woofers full-range & let the driver's natural roll-off do what a low-pass filter would otherwise do for them, then just have a network for protecting the HF driver from the lower frequencies.
This can work pretty well with certain woofers.

 

[bdplaid]

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That's some high praise! Great article, reinforces my decision to at least consider BareFaced. Wish I had more info on the two 12 cab, but extrapolating from the article, it seems like it might replace an SVT. I'm only replacing two 112 cabs, and I know Barefaced say you can go down a size with their cabs, but a single 12? Not so sure about that.

 

[bdplaid]

Some designers run the woofers full-range & let the driver's natural roll-off do what a low-pass filter would otherwise do for them, then just have a network for protecting the HF driver from the lower frequencies.
This can work pretty well with certain woofers.

That's how I used to wire them when I made cabs.

 

[tombowlus]

That's some high praise! Great article, reinforces my decision to at least consider BareFaced. Wish I had more info on the two 12 cab, but extrapolating from the article, it seems like it might replace an SVT. I'm only replacing two 112 cabs, and I know Barefaced say you can go down a size with their cabs, but a single 12? Not so sure about that.

I have not tried the "passive" Barefaced 1x12's, but that FR800 feels like it can move mountains!

 

[bdplaid]

I have not tried the "passive" Barefaced 1x12's, but that FR800 feels like it can move mountains!

One thing about the article - I don't think Barefaced will allow one to return a cab if it's sent to the US. It said something along those lines on the website, or maybe I misread... If they did, I'd probably order one (don't tell the wife).

 

[tombowlus]

One thing about the article - I don't think Barefaced will allow one to return a cab if it's sent to the US. It said something along those lines on the website, or maybe I misread... If they did, I'd probably order one (don't tell the wife).

The website does indeed say that due to shipping costs, they only offer that one-month trial in Europe. My suggestion is to contact Barefaced and ask about a one-month trial in the USA, with the possibility of contributing to shipping costs if you end up returning it.