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400W not loud enough

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#43
My practice cab is a Hartke Pro 2200 2x12 cab hooked to a Nemesis 400 head. It cuts through fine (2 guitars and a drummer with 9 cymbals). It's only a 300 watt cab so I don't push it too much, but then I don't have to usually. It keeps up pretty good.

I run DI live so the cab doesn't so much matter (except as a monitor).
 
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B-string said:
My apologies again, I thought I remembered from math class (a very long time ago) that the radius of a circle was one half of the diameter, not the square root or something(?) of the diameter, old brain cells? :hiding:

Formula found: 3.14xradiusxradius=area
Conceded 215 has more area 286.13", 410 226.84" Radius is not squared so at least I remember that part correctly, the product of Pi X radius is then X by the radius.
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Radius is simply half of the diameter. You are confusing square and square root. Squaring is the same thing as multiplying a number by itself. r^2 is the same as r x r.
 
#46
I feel like joining in.
I have a Peavey Tour 450 watt head running into a 4x10 450 watt ashdown mag cab, 8 ohms so only running 300 watts and isnt loud enough for my metal band (mids are scooped, sounds better, more low end i reckon). If i were to add a 2x10 ashdown mag cab onto my 4x10 cab, it will change the ohms to 4=450 watts from my head aswell as increase the surface area of the speaker cones with the extra cab. Will it make much difference in volume??

Not sure whether to put my money into another cab to make it louder, or into a preamp pedal such as the tech 21 vt, to apparently make my rig sound like a bigger rig as it says on a few webistes.
 
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Bass4lyf said:
I feel like joining in.
I have a Peavey Tour 450 watt head running into a 4x10 450 watt ashdown mag cab, 8 ohms so only running 300 watts and isnt loud enough for my metal band (mids are scooped, sounds better, more low end i reckon). If i were to add a 2x10 ashdown mag cab onto my 4x10 cab, it will change the ohms to 4=450 watts from my head aswell as increase the surface area of the speaker cones with the extra cab. Will it make much difference in volume??

Not sure whether to put my money into another cab to make it louder, or into a preamp pedal such as the tech 21 vt, to apparently make my rig sound like a bigger rig as it says on a few webistes.
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A new preamp such as tech 21vt won't make you sound bigger unless you drastically change the way you EQ your sound. I recommend getting another 4x10 cab, that's pretty much your best option. Stacking them also makes them more audible.

Is your current cab on the floor? If you were to put it on a stand/table/etc. it would be more closer to your ear-level and thus more audible. My 4x10 is stacked on top of a foundation made of an un-used PA-cab and a 4x12 guitar cab. It makes a world of difference.
 
#48
Any recommendations on some new cabinets? Avatar has caught my eye before. I'd like to keep my vx410 for now, and add a second cab and eventually replace the vx with a different 410. So, knowing the amp I have, Hartke HA4000, would a 2x12 avatar cab be too big to drive along with my 4x10?
 
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brotherdoc said:
Any recommendations on some new cabinets? Avatar has caught my eye before. I'd like to keep my vx410 for now, and add a second cab and eventually replace the vx with a different 410. So, knowing the amp I have, Hartke HA4000, would a 2x12 avatar cab be too big to drive along with my 4x10?
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The Avatar 212 is 500 watts, so you might be underpowering a bit if you use it with a 410.
 
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Marley's Ghost said:
Don't want to hijack - BUT If I run my Schroeder 1215L off one channel of my Carvin BX1200, I will clip the amp if I turn the gain up near 12pm. Bridged, no clipping issues at all. I agree, underpowering issues are not as prevalent as was once thought, but it can happen.
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That's the amp clipping, not your speakers. You can use more gain into the amp bridged than in dual mono.
 
#57
Well, I got some numbers. Running the HA4000 1/2 on volume I get 102db out of the Hartke VX410 cab and 104 out of the Avatar B410 Neo. With both cabinets hooked up I only get 108db. All tones were open A string (played w/ a pick). I'm still a bit dissapointed. I've yet to get to do a side by side comparision with my friends Hartke 3500 head and Transporter cabinet, but from going over and listening to his, then coming home and playing mine, his seems a bunch louder. The amp, as I understand, is a few years old, but I bought it NOS. Think it may have a problem?
 
#58
Did you measure the SPL at his place? Your ears can lie to you do to the difference in room acoustics. The increase in SPL shouldn't disappoint you, the higher you go in SPL the more power is needed to make large "number" changes.
You need to take your measurements between the two in the same room, then your ears can make a determination as well.
 
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The test was done at my house w/ my gear. Side by side, same amp settings, same guitar. The cabs are both on the floor, side by side, the spl meter was placed directly in front of each cab, about 7 ft away.


B-string said:
Did you measure the SPL at his place? Your ears can lie to you do to the difference in room acoustics. The increase in SPL shouldn't disappoint you, the higher you go in SPL the more power is needed to make large "number" changes.
You need to take your measurements between the two in the same room, then your ears can make a determination as well.
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