can anyone recommend one?
I have a Markbass F1 head. 500 watts
I should also mention that I play a 5 string.
I have a Markbass F1 head. 500 watts
I should also mention that I play a 5 string.
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600 watt 2x10???
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billfitzmaurice
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FWIW the thermal power rating of a cab is meaningless. You should be trying cabs to find those that give you the tone and output you're looking for.
And not sold in Australia.
Are you trying to get big volume out of a 2x10?- not a good idea. You can plug any 2x10 into that amp, just use your head(and ears) to limit the possibility of damage. But if you need to take full advantage of the power of that amp, you'll need more speakers.
I know that there are some Australian Dealers that carry Bergantino cabs, and the AE series sounds VERY good with the F1 IMO. Most 210's are 8ohms, so you will be putting out about 300 watts into the AE210. It is a very small 210, but sounds very puchy and bright, and will get quite loud for its size. The upper mids are a bit much, but the F1's upper mid control is set perfectly at 800hz to 'relax' the top end a bit. Lightweight (expensive!) and very nice sounding with the F1.
The only downside is a very nice looking but fragile shiny roll-on/spray on finish... so the padded cover is must.
If you are willing to move up a bit is size, the 4ohm, 55 pound but still relatively small AE212 is GLORIOUS sounding with the F1. I have a couple clips up with my F500 running flat.. which is identical to the F1. It is a 4ohm cab, and just handles the 500 watts beautifully... much more low end and volume than the much smaller 210 (duh!).
What other brands do you have available in your area?
This is what I have, and it definitely puts out the volume for a small cab. Though they are stocking the newer ones with neo's. If you can find one of their older 2x10's, thats the thing to get.
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The 350w Delta 10 is beat by 2dB in low end output by the 150w Basslite S2010. And that's the current version of the Delta 10. The older version, replaced 3 years ago, put out 6dB less than the current one. It could take 350 watts before burning out, but only 30 before farting out. This is a good example of why power ratings are meaningless.
Marbass standard 102HF - you could probably get away with the 4ohm cab if you're sensible with the volume control, but even the 8ohm cab will more than do that head justice as it gives a lot of sound power per watt. Also the full front facing port is a must IMO. And it's light at 43lbs. If you want ultimate portability and low weight - at 24lbs the Orange SP210 is hard to beat (I have one and I am over the moon about it).
Thanks for the info guys.
There are a pair of 350 watt Acme Low b's sitting at the shop down the street.
They are secondhand and selling for AU $900 each. I've read they are pretty good and ideal for my situation. and they are light weight. however a bit pricey for me but I may consider one.
Definitely looking at the Orange SP210 and Markbass 2x10's because there is a few of those dealers around Melbourne.
There are a pair of 350 watt Acme Low b's sitting at the shop down the street.
They are secondhand and selling for AU $900 each. I've read they are pretty good and ideal for my situation. and they are light weight. however a bit pricey for me but I may consider one.
Definitely looking at the Orange SP210 and Markbass 2x10's because there is a few of those dealers around Melbourne.
Just FYI, the Acme's are VERY different than most 210's. The are tuned very, very low, and have a small mid driver and a very small tweeter crossed over very high. So, they get a lot less loud in the midrange than other 210's with the same power, and go very low. Not punchy at all, but very smooth and deep. They need quite a bit more power (again, as BillF said, just ignore a cabinets power rating, it means very little, and has zero correlation with how loud a cab will go, or the voicing of a cab).
Also, they are not particularly lightweight at all, versus some of the newer neo 210 cabs. The F1 is a great head, and will sound fine with the Acme's, but won't give you a lot of volume. One 4ohm B210 and the F1 can sound pretty nice if you like it wide, smooth, deep and polite.
My thoughts on the Acmes:
Assuming they're 8 ohm cabs, I'd recommend you buy both. (If you can afford it.) A single B-2 can keep up with a loud drummer in a rock setting...but just barely.
Don't be afraid of the 350 watt rating. As long as you remember that it's only a 2x10, and don't try to get massive volume, they can handle lots of potential power. In fact the more potential power you give them, the better they sound.
I don't consider 50 lbs (23 kg) "light weight". (That's why I'm currently using a fEarful 12/6.)
My understanding is that the US and AU dollars are approimately equal these days. (Correct me if I'm wrong.) Even after the trip down under and import duties, $900 for a used cab seems high. I recently sold my B-2 and the best offer I received was $350US.
Just my opinions. Others may disagree.
Assuming they're 8 ohm cabs, I'd recommend you buy both. (If you can afford it.) A single B-2 can keep up with a loud drummer in a rock setting...but just barely.
Don't be afraid of the 350 watt rating. As long as you remember that it's only a 2x10, and don't try to get massive volume, they can handle lots of potential power. In fact the more potential power you give them, the better they sound.
I don't consider 50 lbs (23 kg) "light weight". (That's why I'm currently using a fEarful 12/6.)
My understanding is that the US and AU dollars are approimately equal these days. (Correct me if I'm wrong.) Even after the trip down under and import duties, $900 for a used cab seems high. I recently sold my B-2 and the best offer I received was $350US.
Just my opinions. Others may disagree.
Ok. thanks for that. The Acme felt light when I picked it up.
I play in a hardrock/prog/pop band with a hard hitting drummer and a not so heavy sounding guitarist with a taste for Andy Summers and Edge type of sound. plus vocals and keyboards.
the Mesa Boogie seems good but too heavy.
some other 210's, 212's and 112's I've looked at are:
Markbass Traveller 102P 400 watt
Nemesis RSP 210
TC Rebel Stack 2x10 and 2x12
Warwick 211 400 watt
SWR Go Light JNR 2x10 400 watt
Gallien Krueger GK Neo & MBX 112 300 watt
Eden 112 XLT
Aguilar GS112
I play in a hardrock/prog/pop band with a hard hitting drummer and a not so heavy sounding guitarist with a taste for Andy Summers and Edge type of sound. plus vocals and keyboards.
the Mesa Boogie seems good but too heavy.
some other 210's, 212's and 112's I've looked at are:
Markbass Traveller 102P 400 watt
Nemesis RSP 210
TC Rebel Stack 2x10 and 2x12
Warwick 211 400 watt
SWR Go Light JNR 2x10 400 watt
Gallien Krueger GK Neo & MBX 112 300 watt
Eden 112 XLT
Aguilar GS112
Literally my favorite 210 right now is that TC RS210. It sounds FANTASTIC with the Markbass F1 (I think I have a clip of that up on my Youtube channel (Edit... looks like I took that clip down). It is not a featherweight (non neo speakers), but is very small. The coax tweeter is beautiful sounding, and the vibe of that cab is meaty and low mid punchy (similar a bit to my ear to the Bergantino HS210).
These are very low priced in the US (not sure about your location). GREAT cab. The only downside is that the spray on covering is a bit fragile (like most spray on coverings) so the padded cover is highly recommended. Also, I put four rubber feet on the bottom of mine, which protects the finish and also makes the coupling/feel a bit more stable.
Really nice 210 IMO... very high SPL (so it rocks at 8ohms with the F1), good looking, and that nice 'vertical' orientation that gets that top speaker a touch closer to your ear for near field monitoring.
If you can try one with your F1, and you like a warm, punchy tone, I think you will dig it.
IMO and IME.
I highly recommend the Big ear covering Headphones for Ken's clips if you can find them, that way you can hear what it's supposed to sound, as well as his narration. Through tiny laptop speakers it is a waste of time. Nice desktop speakers with sub sit in the middle.
+1... the sound quality is pretty good, and really does sound like the live sound source if you have a decent playback system IMO. I posted up on my channel that the reason the narration is always a bit low is that I record these cabs at very high volume (gig level volume) with the recorder back and a little bit off axis out in the room, which IMO gives a relatively accurate representation of the tone. However, the autolimiting on my recorder takes the volume down, which makes my narration relatively low volume. I feel it is a good trade-off.
I'll put that clip back up... it's kind of long and drawn out (which is why I took it down a while back), but the first minute or so with the F1 sounds very good to me with the RS210.
K
Here is the clip. I'll leave it up a couple of days. The parts of interest for you are from about 45 seconds through about 2 minutes. I think the F1/RS210 combination is one of the best out there for a relatively small, relatively loud rig that is full range, but still warm and punchy, and reasonable loud.
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