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600 watt 2x10???

#21
KJung said:
+1... the sound quality is pretty good, and really does sound like the live sound source if you have a decent playback system IMO. I posted up on my channel that the reason the narration is always a bit low is that I record these cabs at very high volume (gig level volume) with the recorder back and a little bit off axis out in the room, which IMO gives a relatively accurate representation of the tone. However, the autolimiting on my recorder takes the volume down, which makes my narration relatively low volume. I feel it is a good trade-off.

I'll put that clip back up... it's kind of long and drawn out (which is why I took it down a while back), but the first minute or so with the F1 sounds very good to me with the RS210.

K
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What do you consider " gig level volume " ? In other words, where do you set the gain and master?
 
#22
jnewmark said:
What do you consider " gig level volume " ? In other words, where do you set the gain and master?
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The absolute settings of the knobs will communicate nothing, as we've all discussed. The gain level is totally driven by the player and bass level output, and the master control level varies by manufacturer.

The volume of these clips is loud enough that you would have to shout over them, like a typical gig with an unmic'd drummer digging in.

To answer your specific question, even though the answer is relatively meaningles, gain at noon (which puts the input gain just under clip with my technique and this particular bass and head), master between 10 and 11 (since this is an 8 ohm cab and takes a bit more of the knob crank at the lower wattage output).

I again find that it is better to record at 'typical usage volume' with the mic 10 feet+ away and a touch off axis in order to really hear what the rig sounds like. And the autolimiter of the recorder does a great job of bringing the volume back down (maybe to too low of a level actually, but that's what the volume control is for of a playback system!), but maintaining the tone impact of the higher volume.

:) Hope that makes sense.

K
 
#23
KJung said:
The absolute settings of the knobs will communicate nothing, as we've all discussed. The gain level is totally driven by the player and bass level output, and the master control level varies by manufacturer.

The volume of these clips is loud enough that you would have to shout over them, like a typical gig with an unmic'd drummer digging in.

To answer your specific question, even though the answer is relatively meaningles, gain at noon (which puts the input gain just under clip with my technique and this particular bass and head), master between 10 and 11 (since this is an 8 ohm cab and takes a bit more of the knob crank at the lower wattage output).

I again find that it is better to record at 'typical usage volume' with the mic 10 feet+ away and a touch off axis in order to really hear what the rig sounds like. And the autolimiter does a great job of bringing the volume back down, but maintaining the tone impact of the higher volume.

:) Hope that makes sense.

K
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Thanks, Ken. Nothing you have to say is ever " meaningless " to me, and since I do use the F1 and a Jazz bass, it gives me an idea of how others use it. With my passive Fender 4 string I'm finding that with just about any cab, the F1 is ususaly at 1 o'clock gain and noon master. That RS 210 sounds great. It rattled my Acoustic Research powered speakers quite nicely. I actually liked it a little bit more than the Thunderchild. :hiding:
 
#24
jnewmark said:
Thanks, Ken. Nothing you have to say is ever " meaningless " to me, and since I do use the F1 and a Jazz bass, it gives me an idea of how others use it. With my passive Fender 4 string I'm finding that with just about any cab, the F1 is ususaly at 1 o'clock gain and noon master. That RS 210 sounds great. It rattled my Acoustic Research powered speakers quite nicely. I actually liked it a little bit more than the Thunderchild. :hiding:
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Cool. It is a different voicing versus the Thunderchild.. much more mid punchy, and it has that upper bass bump that most cabs have and that the Thunderchild doesn't. It is MUCH louder than the Thunderchild at the same amp setting (I've done this A/B), even though the Thunderchild is 4ohm and the RS210 is 8ohms. However, and this is a BIG however, when you start to crank the knob up, the Thunderchild keeps a wide open low end and gets louder and louder, while the RS210, like most cabs with stock low xmax mid-voiced speakers, starts to compress and thin out.

No free lunch... deep low end and a very even tone profile through the mids means you need more power to match the SPL of 'mid range and punchy'. I would not be very interested in an 8ohm Thunderchild as a stand alone cab with my micro amps.

To the OP... sorry for the OT:D Back on topic, I find the RS210 to compete with ANY mainstream 210 on the market, and like the voicing more than most!
 

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