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610's and 810's. Who has them and REALLY needs them?

#61
As others have said some find it easier to move. I have a 610 and it's easier to move "push" than lug around my kickback or any cabinet you need to carry. The other important factor is on stage monterning, the height of the 610 is so much easier to hear then a cabinet blowing into your knees. I find I can run my 610 rig at less volumn due to having speakers closer to my ears. I've done the downsizing a couple times but always find myself going back to the taller cabinet.
 
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bluesblaster said:
OK for big rooms and festivals, smaller or medium size rooms completly un-necessary unless you enjoy lugging all that cab around. I would rather have the FOH do the heavy lifting and use something smaller and lighter on the stage
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Without a doubt, that would be ideal. Even better, a big stage with a set of bass wedge monitors, or no amps at all on stage, and all the musicians are using IEMs.

Sadly, in my situation I've rarely had decent P.A. support in all the gigs I've played in over 30+ years of gigging. Mainly Club gigs in my area. I rely on big wattage, I have 3 different cabinet setups for the size of room I'm playing, and I always use earplugs, when louder volume is involved.
 
#64
Use an 810SVT don't NEED it mostly, but love using it.
Use a NV412 often. Find it a Lil more difficult to move as the 810SVT tilt n slides better. I often NEED the 412 for volume, punch etc... I'd rather have good solid punchy bass than be lacking.
That said- I use my Fender Neo 115 for most gigs and it does beautifully.
 
#66
I wondered the same thing until recently. I have a 300watt 410 and just a few days ago I played my first festival. I was concerned about being heard. Both guitarists have full stacks and the drummer hits hard. All of our stuff was micd though and to my suprise I only had to turn up about 3/5 of the way to hear myself on stage.

It seems like a full stack would only be necessary to hear yourself in a stadium or something. I guess those people playing with 810s in pubs and medium sized festivals just want to look "proffesional". My guitarists could probably both get by with 212 cabinets, but I guess they're stuck under the misimformation that you need a full stack to be a serious player.
 
#67
In two separate bands I was stationed next to a drummer's crash cymbal, which was used ... Constantly.

A 15 couldn't cut it, a 210 couldn't cut through it. Bought an 810 and problem solved. Love that thing.
 
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Sartori said:
An 810 isn't a fullstack. :p
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Yur showin' our age there - for the youngin's a SVT fullstack was a head and TWO of the (225w?) 8x10's as one couldn't handle the whole 300w :wideyed:. So a single 8x10 (with a V4B head?) was a halfstack. My fullstack was actually a V4B head and TWO V9 cabs (9x10) - that got old fast as they were wider than an 8x10 and one was plenty. Before that I had a 2x15 on my side of the drummer and a 1x15 on the other.

Nowadays I'm plenty happy with a 2x12 :) .
 
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@Ron Johnson
No. Not to LOOK pro. But to SOUND it. I'll use either the 810 or 412 to give the solidity and punch I need without having to be real loud.
Just because there's a big cab behind me don't mean I have to be loud. .. I'm often quieter than if I've a 115/212 etc blowing past my knees. Plus, it's a solid WALL of bass. ..Again, not loud, just punchy and coz is closer to ear level it's easy for me to heat and know exactly how I sound.
And it ain't the same simply sticking a 210 etc on a stand.
All imo of course
 
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rolandm said:
In two separate bands I was stationed next to a drummer's crash cymbal, which was used ... Constantly. A 15 couldn't cut it, a 210 couldn't cut through it. Bought an 810 and problem solved. Love that thing.
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There's two reasons why the bassplayer goes on the hat side of the drummer (the other is that the drummer sits facing somewhat towards that side). I've raised a stink about it a couple times, haven't had to ragequit yet ;) . Then the chief guitardwanker goes on the other side so I don't have to put up with him and the mostly rhythm guy goes outside of me if he promises to behave himself ;) . Best interaction I've ever had with a sit-in keysplayer was after I asked him if I was gonna have a problem with that left hand of his (a chainsaw was mentioned ;) ) he said "only if (you suck and) I have to cover your part" - awesome Berkeley guy :D.
 
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rodl2005 said:
@Ron Johnson
No. Not to LOOK pro. But to SOUND it. I'll use either the 810 or 412 to give the solidity and punch I need without having to be real loud.
Just because there's a big cab behind me don't mean I have to be loud. .. I'm often quieter than if I've a 115/212 etc blowing past my knees. Plus, it's a solid WALL of bass. ..Again, not loud, just punchy and coz is closer to ear level it's easy for me to heat and know exactly how I sound.
And it ain't the same simply sticking a 210 etc on a stand.
All imo of course
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A pair of vertically stacked modern 2x10's can do it too :) .
 
#77
Why didn't you pick the same car as me? (Analogy). Needs… well, say someone needs to have a full, enjoyable life, and that means to them something different than it does for you? I use a 300 watt at 4 ohm amp, maximum, and sometimes 4x15's. Tell me this, why do guys who use 2x10's etc. use those 1000 watt heads? I tried it and didn't like it. Do you really need 1000 watts?
 
#78
There is nothing like a vintage pre 1980 svt with 16 x 10s of thunderous tube power. You just need a road crew to move it. I have owned big hybrids , Preamps with big power amps,Ampeg,Fender, Shroeder,GK,SWR,Genz Benz, Peavey,Laney,SunnYamaha, EV, TC Electronics, PAS, Ibenez. Just naming a few. I've used 18's,15's'12's 10's, 2" compression drivers.
The SVT is still the best all around amp for a touring musician. Sadly I find myself compromising because of weight. That being said everyone loves what they have and can afford.The TC Electronics RH 750 has been the best lightweight I have come across I have yet to find a neo cab that sounds as good as a good old SWR or Eden cab. I would like another Shroeder cab.

PS: Ampeg 8 x 10s do not sound right without a SVT head. I own a 1979 SVT head which I almost sold because it just didn't sound right with the Cabinets I had 2 SWR Goliath 3. When I got the SVT cab the rig came to life. Sadly I am thinking of selling it because It is to much to carry by myself.
 
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D.A.R.K. said:
Why didn't you pick the same car as me? (Analogy). Needs… well, say someone needs to have a full, enjoyable life, and that means to them something different than it does for you? I use a 300 watt at 4 ohm amp, maximum, and sometimes 4x15's. Tell me this, why do guys who use 2x10's etc. use those 1000 watt heads? I tried it and didn't like it. Do you really need 1000 watts?
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It's all about headroom, unless it is three hundred watts of tube power 750 is about the lowest wattage unless in a combo like an Ampeg BA 600-115
 
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Adrian02 said:
It's all about headroom, unless it is three hundred watts of tube power 750 is about the lowest wattage unless in a combo like an Ampeg BA 600-115
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I know the answer, but i'm just trying to put forth the idea that everyone's needs are different, it's really pointless. I could say your amp is just a stage monitor and a couple hundred watts is more than realistically adequate. Just here to beat the dead horse for fun with everyone else.
 

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