7.25 jazz neck users help needed

[mongo2]

When I put a non-radiused pickup in my '51, suddenly my hands and ears were telling me it was NOT okay. So I did something about it and now I'm content. To me that trumps any math, theory or speculation by others.

As ever was. Math simply explains why something happens.

 

[Tusec]

Why should I bother, apparently you just want to shout down anything anyone else has to say.

We're done here.

You should bother because unless you counter my arguments with better arguments -- which you have repeatedly failed to do -- my position wins the debate.

I've laid out my reasoning as clearly as I can. I've identified the problems I see in your reasoning and brought them to your attention for you to explain. My last post is sitting there, waiting for you to explain where I'm wrong.

I think you confuse being shouted down with being out-argued.

 

[Tusec]

On my '51 the outer strings are set 5mm above the pickup, the inner strings 7mm. That's an extra 40% farther out from the top of the pickup. 40% farther from the magnet poles (before I modified the pickup). I'm not surprised I could feel that.

Well, 2mm is getting close to 1/8", which is around where I found the change became distinctly audible. I found 1/16" to be inaudible or at best on the edge of audible.

I don't think you can hear 1/64" though, which is the difference in a 7.25" and a 9.5" radius.

I do have to confess, though, that I couldn't find my tuning fork so I actually used a screwdriver, holding its tip near the pickup and tapping on the shaft with another screwdriver. Maybe that would make some kind of difference.

 

[Fun Size Nick]

You should bother because unless you counter my arguments with better arguments -- which you have repeatedly failed to do -- my position wins the debate.

I have no stake in this one way or the other, but I just want to say that your position 'winning' the debate may or may not mean anything to anyone other than yourself. In other words, he should bother if he cares about 'winning' the debate, but if 'winning' the debate means nothing to him he is entirely free to abandon the debate if he so chooses and carry on with life, secure in the belief that his position was correct.

I think that everyone has their own point at which they no longer see any value in pursuing a debate over a given topic, and will be willing to let it go. Let's face it, this is a debate over a small matter of instrument setup between anonymous parties on an internet forum. Whatever loss of 'face' that occurs in this situation may or may not be a big deal to any given person. Let's not forget that this thread was started by someone who was simply asking for help.

 

[Tusec]

I have no stake in this one way or the other, but I just want to say that your position 'winning' the debate may or may not mean anything to anyone other than yourself. In other words, he should bother if he cares about 'winning' the debate, but if 'winning' the debate means nothing to him he is entirely free to abandon the debate if he so chooses and carry on with life, secure in the belief that his position was correct.

I think that everyone has their own point at which they no longer see any value in pursuing a debate over a given topic, and will be willing to let it go. Let's face it, this is a debate over a small matter of instrument setup between anonymous parties on an internet forum. Whatever loss of 'face' that occurs in this situation may or may not be a big deal to any given person. Let's not forget that this thread was started by someone who was simply asking for help.

Absolutely -- this debate is beyond trivial in the grand scheme of things and anyone can walk away any time they want. Couldn't agree with you more.

But, the reason Mongo shouldn't walk away is that little dust-ups like these are how we establish what is true and what isn't. And when we know the truth about our gear, we can get better performance out of it, we can better solve problems when we encounter them, and we can give real advice to people who ask for help -- rather than just passing along the conventional voodoo, which often doesn't truly help and which very well may send them down an expensive rabbit trail.

So if I'm wrong, and there's a good reason why I'm wrong, it's to the good of the community for someone like Mongo to stick around and point out my error. It's good to chase these things down and really settle them. Personally I don't think that happens enough. Part of the reason there's so much folklore and superstition and just generally bad information floating around out there is that people treat this stuff as though it's just a matter of opinion, like we're just comparing our favorite colors or something. But many issues actually can be settled decisively through argument and experimentation -- not all of them of course, but a lot of them.

The saving face stuff is kind of silly but it's just the way it goes because we're human beings. Within reasonable limits it's actually a positive thing because it makes us tenacious. Of course the real discipline is in being able to grit your teeth and admit when you're wrong -- which I have had to do on many occasions (though I will say that I've been right a fair number of times too).

 

[Willicious]

Wow.
For an apparently trivial issue, this is becoming a lengthy thread.

To the OP:
You want staggered A and D poles on your Jazz pickups?
Any boutique pickup manufacturer will hook you up.

As previously pointed out, Lollar's J pickups come standard in stagger configuration.

You can get Fralins w/raised poles right off the shelf here.

Want Nordstrands instead?
Ask your dealer, and he'll have Carey spin you up a set at no extra charge. ( you'll just have to wait 2-3 weeks )

Easy.