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$75-100 gigs in 2023

It really is compared to what it used to be. If you were not gigging during the 60s and 70s, you don't understand the difference.
Even the 1960s and 1970s were a diminished set of opportunities compared to the real heyday of professional live music from about 1920 to 1950.

In those days, there was mass distribution of popular music over the radio and by records, thus making people want more varied musical fare than what they could create in the front room with themselves and a couple neighbors, and performed better - but the reproduction quality wasn't enough to satisfy that desire by itself. Records were three minutes long; radio was often staticy and always constrained by the requirement to advertise and to keep to program lengths, generally 15-30 minutes; so people WANTED to go down to the National Guard Armory or the high school gym and listen and dance to a band of professional musicians playing popular music. In small towns, but also in big cities, the weekend entertainment was basically the one movie at the local movie house, or the band down at the Armory, and you could easily fit both of those into a Saturday night. There was no TV, radio was constrained as I described, records cost money and were constrained.

As a result from about 1920 to 1950, there were thousands of semi-pro bands in all genres, playing every weekend, and sometimes in the week, for dancers, all over the US. Of course "Bill Klein and his Music Makers" out of Ottumwa, or "Buddy Krzxwljwski and the Polka Boys" out of some little town up in Wisconsin, weren't bringing in big bucks like the name bands were, but they WORKED.

The LP, the television, played major parts in the decline of this. Rock and roll's ascendance meant that a lot of musicians still in their 30s suddenly didn't have any product to appeal to teenagers and young adults. The decline of more formal dancing in favor of the free form dancing of rock and roll meant there was less investment in learning how to dance thus less urgency in wanting to exercise what one knew.

The whole business of mid-grade to low-grade professional live music was really coasting down even from the early 60s, but habits die hard. But now there's no one in the young adult category who even has parents who remember the days when going out to dance was a standard weekend entertainment for hundreds of thousands. It's down to a few niches where the consumers themselves keep this idea going. Punk and all its variants, for example. Well, that's fine, but punk as a style is pushing 50 years of age.

It's like bemoaning the decline and near-extinction of the blacksmith. Yes, there are blacksmiths. Yes, those who find the right niche can make good money. But the days when every neighborhood in a large city, or every little hamlet, had a blacksmith shop, are gone.
 
The reason bar gig pay has gone down over the past several years is because live music is just about dead.

I thought the same thing when I was living in NJ. But in different parts of the country there are areas that still offer a very robust market.

I moved to the greater Cincinnati area in 2019, and have found it to be a booming music scene. There are over 40 music focused bars/clubs, many with house lights and house PA where starting pay is $600 for a quartet. The lowest end is $100 per man. There are 40+ working acts, multiple Casinos with live music 4 nights a week. Many clubs have a weekly open jam, where a mix of all the players get together, swap in, and play lotsa fun stuff. My 80’s act isn’t exactly the repertoire I’d use as my first choice for tunes, but when I go to open Jams, I play all the good OLD STUFF. Rush, Sabbath, Zepplin, Deep Purple, etc. Its a joy. But my money gig….Thats mass audience appeal stuff. “Jessie’s girl” ( kill me now), “Hurts so good”, etc… Thats my paying gig. And I do it without complaint. With a smile on my face. People ask me “what kinda music you play?”…. I say….”The kind where the check clears.”

My cousin, who’s also a bass player (you're welcome), lives in the Jacksonville area. He gigs constantly. Bars, Beach clubs, which then earn him private/corporate gigs. Which then got him a gay cruise gig, in a backup act for a lesbian artist.

So, yea….there are many, if not the majority of locations in the US where the scene is on life support, but there ARE areas where its still very happening. I find them to be where there are lotsa retirees, folks 45 and older.

And remember… if you suck…..and people leave while you’re playing, then you got no one to blame but yourself. But if folks come over on the break and tell you how good the band is….then you probably cemented a return date, maybe for even more money.
 
I thought the same thing when I was living in NJ. But in different parts of the country there are areas that still offer a very robust market.

I moved to the greater Cincinnati area in 2019, and have found it to be a booming music scene. There are over 40 music focused bars/clubs, many with house lights and house PA where starting pay is $600 for a quartet. The lowest end is $100 per man. There are 40+ working acts, multiple Casinos with live music 4 nights a week. Many clubs have a weekly open jam, where a mix of all the players get together, swap in, and play lotsa fun stuff. My 80’s act isn’t exactly the repertoire I’d use as my first choice for tunes, but when I go to open Jams, I play all the good OLD STUFF. Rush, Sabbath, Zepplin, Deep Purple, etc. Its a joy. But my money gig….Thats mass audience appeal stuff. “Jessie’s girl” ( kill me now), “Hurts so good”, etc… Thats my paying gig. And I do it without complaint. With a smile on my face. People ask me “what kinda music you play?”…. I say….”The kind where the check clears.”

My cousin, who’s also a bass player (you're welcome), lives in the Jacksonville area. He gigs constantly. Bars, Beach clubs, which then earn him private/corporate gigs. Which then got him a gay cruise gig, in a backup act for a lesbian artist.

So, yea….there are many, if not the majority of locations in the US where the scene is on life support, but there ARE areas where its still very happening. I find them to be where there are lotsa retirees, folks 45 and older.

And remember… if you suck…..and people leave while you’re playing, then you got no one to blame but yourself. But if folks come over on the break and tell you how good the band is….then you probably cemented a return date, maybe for even more money.
Good post, but even in the areas where live music is still thriving, it is not as big as it used to be. In the 60s and 70s, I gigged 5 or 6 nights a week. Now, if I get 4 gigs a month, I'm doing good.
 
I thought the same thing when I was living in NJ. But in different parts of the country there are areas that still offer a very robust market.

I moved to the greater Cincinnati area in 2019, and have found it to be a booming music scene.
Ohio here, as well...

Our newly-formed 4-piece band got stalled last winter (drummer problem), and by the time we got ready to gig near spring this year, everyplace said they were booked solid...

but (thanks mostly to our Guitar Player) we still managed to scare up fourteen $400 gigs, no place more than ~30 miles from where I live (naturally most towards where the gp lives, lol),

and already being put on schedules for next year.

And lots of these places have a band every weekend. :)
 
That's how I see it. 35+ years and thousands of dollars of gear, I'm not playing for free or less than that. My experience is worth something. I am lucky I don't play for a living and can just play music I like instead of having to do the cover band thing... at this point in my life, I don't think I could even do that, from an enjoyment perspective. I don't like playing something I don't wanna hear.

Fortunately, my cover band does some material I like. Not all of it, of course, but some is better than none. And my bandmates are good friends, so I appreciate the hang time as well. But I'd never join one of the typical classic rock cover bands that still seem to be so prevalent. I'd rather not play at all than do that.
 
It really isn't.

It really is compared to what it used to be. If you were not gigging during the 60s and 70s, you don't understand the difference.

… Thats my paying gig. And I do it without complaint. With a smile on my face. People ask me “what kinda music you play?”…. I say….”The kind where the check clears.”

...So, yea….there are many, if not the majority of locations in the US where the scene is on life support, but there ARE areas where its still very happening. I find them to be where there are lotsa retirees, folks 45 and older. ...And remember… if you suck…..and people leave while you’re playing, then you got no one to blame but yourself. But if folks come over on the break and tell you how good the band is….then you probably cemented a return date, maybe for even more money.

I gigged extensively in the early/mid 70's, back in the days where clubs, Holiday Inn's etc had bands 4 - 6 nights a week. Agreed, it ain't that way now but there is still opportunity available for mid and upper level bands who operate with a respectable level of professionalism and who know how to put on a show and bring the party. So it's as much about quality of presentation as anything else IME. Quality of vocals, how you dress on stage (yes, it MATTERS), volume control, attitude. If you're not getting gigs and/or not making much doing it, go check out the bands in your area that ARE getting the gigs, better rooms, more money and see how they're doing it. If you're unable/unwilling to do those things that's another issue and that's on you more so than on the scene. How bad do you want it and how willing are you to do what's required to get yourself/your band to that level?
 
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I gigged extensively in the early/mid 70's, back in the days where clubs, Holiday Inn's etc had bands 4 - 6 nights a week. Agreed, it ain't that way now but there is still opportunity available for mid and upper level bands who operate with a respectable level of professionalism and who know how to put on a show and bring the party. So it's as much about quality of presentation as anything else IME. Quality of vocals, how you dress on stage (yes, it MATTERS), volume control, attitude. If you're not getting gigs and/or not making much doing it, go check out the bands in your area that ARE getting the gigs, better rooms, more money and see how they're doing it. If you're unable/unwilling to do those things that's another issue and that's on you more so than on the scene. How bad do you want it and how willing are you to do what's required to get yourself/your band to that level?
Totally agree, but if you recall you were probably making about $100 a night in the 70s and that was great money, then. But with inflation over that time, you should be getting $675.36. That ain't happening nowhere for local bands no matter how good they are.
 
I don't leave the house locally for less than 150 and that is poverty pay. Anything more than 45 minute commute should pay 200 minimum. Not 200 as my goal, just the usual min. Occasionally I'll take a lower paying gig with someone I know well for less. I miss out on some gigs sure, but those are the gigs I didn't want to start.
 
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It really is compared to what it used to be. If you were not gigging during the 60s and 70s, you don't understand the difference.

We have more way more bands locally and touring at way more venues now. You can find anything you want on the internet and know when it's coming to town. Or who to go see in your local area. People go see bands en masse and pay a lot of money to do it.
 
The bulk of live music in my area is at wineries.
I would think a solo vocalist using tracks would pair nicely with a cheap boxed wine, not a better vineyard's 2019 Special Reserve Merlot.
But it seems like people aren't always as discerning (about music or wine) as they like to imagine they are.

I've played a bunch of winery gigs out here in The Gorge, "wallpaper" often comes to mind. ;)
 
Maybe in your neck of the woods, but where I am there still is a thriving music scene. While a lot of it is cover work, there’s a lot of gigging bands, at every level.

Which is one of the primary reasons that bands don't make what they used to. Gear is cheap and accessible. Kids can find each other and start bands easily. Lots of bands and genres/subgenres. There's just a lot more of them. That is another serious contribute to the lack of money going around on top of the recorded music distribution model changing.

Those longing for Vietnam-era decades had a much heavier corner on the market. People didn't have the exposure and choices they do now. Having a bunch of gatekeeping labels and A&R dudes decide what the masses got to listen to wasn't a positive. The number of people who had the means to get into the game was much smaller.
 
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Which is one of the primary reasons that bands don't make what they used to. Gear is cheap and accessible. Kids can find each other and start bands easily. Lots of bands and genres/subgenres. There's just a lot more of them. That is another serious contribute to the lack of money going around on top of the recorded music distribution model changing.

Those longing for Vietnam-era decades had a much heavier corner on the market. People didn't have the exposure and choices they do now. Having a bunch of gatekeeping labels and A&R dudes decide what the masses got to listen to wasn't a positive. The number of people who had the means to get into the game was much smaller.
I agree that a glut of bands drives pay down for everyone, but a lot has to do with band mentality… a band that thinks it only deserves $500 gig will only get that much. And honestly, a lot of the bands I’ve seen barely deserve that much!
 
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If you've never had a steak, you think hamburger meat is very good.
Many of you are saying it is great around your area.
Many of you are correct saying the quality of your show is how you make more money. You are correct.

What I'm saying is compared to the availability of good paying gigs has diminished over the years because of the competition for entertainment dollars has increased dramatically. People don't even really need to leave the house to get entertainment anymore. I can turn on the TV, go to YouTube, select a good recorded concert of my choice, crank it up and enjoy it. The refreshments are cheaper and the bathroom is closer and I can pause the concert if I need to go.

There were more venues with live music that had bands 6 nights a week, not jukebox Monday through Thursday, karaoke on Friday, and live music on Saturday.

So if you are under 50 years old, you've never seen what it used to be. You've only had hamburger, so you don't know steak. Go ask your grandparents what they did for entrainment.
 
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If you've never had a steak, you think hamburger meat is very good.
Many of you are saying it is great around your area.
Many of you are correct saying the quality of your show is how you make more money. You are correct.

What I'm saying is compared to the availability of good paying gigs has diminished over the years because of the competition for entertainment dollars has increased dramatically. People don't even really need to leave the house to get entertainment anymore. I can turn on the TV, go to YouTube, select a good recorded concert of my choice, crank it up and enjoy it. The refreshments are cheaper and the bathroom is closer and I can pause the concert if I need to go.

There were more venues with live music that had bands 6 nights a week, not jukebox Monday through Thursday, karaoke on Friday, and live music on Saturday.

So if you are under 50 years old, you've never seen what it used to be. You've only had hamburger, so you don't know steak. Go ask your grandparents what they did for entrainment.
I’m not under 50 years old and I stand by my earlier statement.

There may be more competition for our entertainment dollar these days, but there’s also a 50% increase in population since 1970 in the US. There are more people to spend those dollars.

I’ve been playing weekday gigs for the last few months - they’re out there. But I find it hard to believe the average 30 year old in 1970 was staying out until 2:00am to see bands play on a Tuesday night. Back then, just like today, the brunt of bands playing we’re doing the weekend bar scene. And those gigs are still doing just fine in my neck of the woods.

The better musicians work their way up to weddings and private events - again, there are going to be far more of those today than in 1970. So the gigs are there - at least in the NY/Nj/PA area. If you’re not seeing them, it could be your location, or maybe you’re just staying within your local bar scene.
 
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I moved to the greater Cincinnati area in 2019, and have found it to be a booming music scene.

That's very cool to hear. One of my favorite musicians these days, Ben Levin (blues piano), operates out of your area. I'm even thinking about making a pilgrimage to see him play. Sounds like I should make a long weekend out of it!
 
If you've never had a steak, you think hamburger meat is very good.
Many of you are saying it is great around your area.
Many of you are correct saying the quality of your show is how you make more money. You are correct.

What I'm saying is compared to the availability of good paying gigs has diminished over the years because of the competition for entertainment dollars has increased dramatically. People don't even really need to leave the house to get entertainment anymore. I can turn on the TV, go to YouTube, select a good recorded concert of my choice, crank it up and enjoy it. The refreshments are cheaper and the bathroom is closer and I can pause the concert if I need to go.

There were more venues with live music that had bands 6 nights a week, not jukebox Monday through Thursday, karaoke on Friday, and live music on Saturday.

So if you are under 50 years old, you've never seen what it used to be. You've only had hamburger, so you don't know steak. Go ask your grandparents what they did for entrainment.

I'm surprised the virtual/livestream thing for bigger acts didn't take off post-pandemic. At this point in my life, I have no interest in attending live music performances in person. Like you said, refreshments are cheaper at home, and my couch is much more comfortable than a plastic seat. And chances are, I'd end up watching the show through someone else's screen anyway.