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$75-100 gigs in 2023

The reason bar gig pay has gone down over the past several years is because live music is just about dead.
I made more in the late sixties through the end of the seventies than I do now.
But at that time, there were fewer competitions for entertainment dollars. Disco started in the early 70s is some places, but didn't really branch out nation wide until the late eighties.
With early Discos, it was just music pumping with not breaks. Now, DJs are stars and we've added Karaoke.
Another factor we don't think about much is the people who go to live music venues. The crowds were more upscale back then. Today, people don't go to bars as much as they used to and because they've never really listened to much live music, they'd rather go see their favorite DJ play the recordings they like.
Then, there are the bar owners. Somewhere along the way the forgot advertising would actually bring people to their venues They also have adopted the concept that the band should bring the crowd. They don't consider people will not travel very far to go see a band they like. They really don't know how to market themselves

And, there is Us. We show up late, get drunk and behave inappropriately, we think that what the crowd wants to here is irrelevant and should be happy listening to what we want to play or we just aren't all that good, and don't know how to put on a show.(putting on a show is not the same as playing songs). We are also more expensive than a DJ or KJ or whatever the karaoke guys are called.

So, there is a lot working against us, much of which we can't control. All we can do is market ourselves, learn how to put on a good show, and behave as it is a professional service. So if you can do all that, then you can get into the upper tiers where the money is better, but it takes time and work.

If you're not happy with the money, there are only two things you can do, quit playing live gigs or get more professional.
 
Answered a call for a working “pro” 5 piece country band in the DFW area who needs a bass player. Band is made up of older players who have some time under their belt (guess at 46 yo, I have some time under mine as well). He said they play out 2-3xs per month, 3 one hour sets, and take home 75-100 a man. That’s when I said thank you for your time. I’m not your guy.

I mean seriously, are cover bands still working for 400-500 per show/ 75-100 per man? I can understand the pay disparity for original acts trying to find their way and build and a following. But a cover band, especially for a full nights worth of music. No way. Maybe it’s cause I’m older and my time is worth more than that. I dunno. I also know what bands make in this circuit as I’ve played in several before. 200+ in a man in DFW for a good cover band (county, rock, variety, or top 40) is becoming more of the standard pay at clubs now. I just couldn’t believe a band of supposed seasoned guys working for less than a 100. Obviously, they’re not that pro and or seasoned as they led me to believe. Lol.

But this made me wonder, what’s y’all’s bare minimum for gigs in your market?
I spent the last few years working at that level and climbed my way out of that hole. There’s a ton of those gigs out there.
 
One of the biggest issues for bands in my area is that we are competing with one-man acts who are singing to tracks. That wasn't a problem 40 years ago. So if a venue pays $200, we get $50 each, while one guy with a tablet, a microphone and a powered speaker gets the same $200.
As the band's singer, I could do the same and not have to split four ways. And I wouldn't even have to play bass while doing it. But I prefer being in a band with good friends and making music from scratch.
Yes, its getting more prevalent in my area also. There are two ladies who do a complete Motown tribute show, all with backing tracks, here. They are very good singers, and give a great performance. I could never do a Motown show with less than 8 pieces.
 
The reason bar gig pay has gone down over the past several years is because live music is just about dead.
I made more in the late sixties through the end of the seventies than I do now.
But at that time, there were fewer competitions for entertainment dollars. Disco started in the early 70s is some places, but didn't really branch out nation wide until the late eighties.
With early Discos, it was just music pumping with not breaks. Now, DJs are stars and we've added Karaoke.
Another factor we don't think about much is the people who go to live music venues. The crowds were more upscale back then. Today, people don't go to bars as much as they used to and because they've never really listened to much live music, they'd rather go see their favorite DJ play the recordings they like.
Then, there are the bar owners. Somewhere along the way the forgot advertising would actually bring people to their venues They also have adopted the concept that the band should bring the crowd. They don't consider people will not travel very far to go see a band they like. They really don't know how to market themselves

And, there is Us. We show up late, get drunk and behave inappropriately, we think that what the crowd wants to here is irrelevant and should be happy listening to what we want to play or we just aren't all that good, and don't know how to put on a show.(putting on a show is not the same as playing songs). We are also more expensive than a DJ or KJ or whatever the karaoke guys are called.

So, there is a lot working against us, much of which we can't control. All we can do is market ourselves, learn how to put on a good show, and behave as it is a professional service. So if you can do all that, then you can get into the upper tiers where the money is better, but it takes time and work.

If you're not happy with the money, there are only two things you can do, quit playing live gigs or get more professional.

Great post, Dave! As an older guy, it was great playing in the 60s. No competition with cell phones, DJs, Disco or Karaoke.

The only competition were the free Sock Hops (with record players) at schools. Clubs were plentiful. Some had liquor licenses (with age restrictions), others were brown bag (bring your own) and after-hours clubs.

House and feature bands were popular, as were established and rented halls that catered to specific genres and charged an entrance fee. In order to socialize, one had to attend these venues.

There was enough demand that both union and non-union clubs and bands flourished. Only startup garage bands played for free.

All that change with the popularity of social media. I would not want to be a gigging musician in the current climate. I am happy being a retired musician, playing for my own, in-studio, enjoyment.
 
There are a bunch of "beer and a burger" bands out there that will cut your throat just to play. So, a venue hires them and quickly find out, "you get what you pay for"! Then you get a call back wanting your band to come back and play. That's when the price goes up. I've never been turned down in that situation. After covid 2 things disappeared here. Venues to play in and a pile of bands just went away. Now your reputation matters more than ever.
 
Great post, Dave! As an older guy, it was great playing in the 60s. No competition with cell phones, DJs, Disco or Karaoke.

The only competition were the free Sock Hops (with record players) at schools. Clubs were plentiful. Some had liquor licenses (with age restrictions), others were brown bag (bring your own) and after-hours clubs.

House and feature bands were popular, as were established and rented halls that catered to specific genres and charged an entrance fee. In order to socialize, one had to attend these venues.

There was enough demand that both union and non-union clubs and bands flourished. Only startup garage bands played for free.

All that change with the popularity of social media. I would not want to be a gigging musician in the current climate. I am happy being a retired musician, playing for my own, in-studio, enjoyment.
I never saw a live rock band until about 1969 when i was 10 at colleges...what a great time it was...the thing is, right now (same as always) the cream rises to the top.

I think its about the ability to 'entertain' in a live setting....you got it or you dont...if you do, you will get gigs and people will show up.
 
I have a good day job, so music is only a hobby for me now. However, I've been playing for 30+ years, and I feel my time/experience has some worth. I don't need the gig money, but I'm also not willing to go out and kill half a day on a weekend for $100.
That's how I see it. 35+ years and thousands of dollars of gear, I'm not playing for free or less than that. My experience is worth something. I am lucky I don't play for a living and can just play music I like instead of having to do the cover band thing... at this point in my life, I don't think I could even do that, from an enjoyment perspective. I don't like playing something I don't wanna hear.
 
that is one of the sadder things I have read here.

I wouldn’t be able to take that pay.

Agreed. BUT - it shows that people value the time that their friends/bandmates invest in their music and time together, and that is worth something. This guy shouldn't have to pay his bandmates out of his SS check.... whatever spot they're playing in should be paying them a fair rate. Done.
 
As long as I’m into it money doesn’t matter.

I do not want to lose money. I’ve posted here before that from my house to Boston (roughly 30 miles), with turnpike tolls and the IRS travel rate, it costs me about $40. If I skip the IRS rate and just calculate actual gas (2 gallons) and tolls, it’s still about $15 depending on current gas prices. Then if I have to pay for drinks, etc. my out of pocket adds up pretty quick.
 
Yep, lots 'wrong' with our local circuit but overall Id say ticks over during the winter, comes alive in spring and ramps up in the summer.
Gigs are enjoyed not tolerated or an afterthought imv.
 
The reason bar gig pay has gone down over the past several years is because live music is just about dead.

As poppunk replied, live music isn't dead…yet.

I’m 69 and when I was 9 years old I saw the Beatles playing on Ed Sullivan’s show. For the rest of the 60s and well into the 70s music was a big deal with younger people who bought lots of records and kept their ears glued to the radio. I didn’t get to go to a concert until I was 16, but it was great, Chuck Berry opening for the Mothers of Invention! By the time I got into college in 1972, free concerts on campuses were everywhere with both local bands as well as national acts.

I dropped out in 73, joined the Army and was out of the country until 1977. When I got back there were strong music scenes in most cities and colleges were still booking bands. When I went back to school at UConn, I saw Average White Band, Rick Derringer, Ron Carter, Sonny Terry and Brownie McGhee and others at free shows. Ticketed shows including one with Chick Corea and Gary Burton, along with some other jazz and folk acts.I also caught a free concert at Southern CT State College (now SCSU) in New Haven, it was the Sam Rivers quartet with Dave Holland on bass and cello, Don Pullen on solo piano was the opener…whew!!! There were two record stores just off campus doing gangbuster business.

In nearby Hartford, I saw free concerts at Bushnell Park, across the street from the state capitol building, with the park packed wall to wall…Pat Metheny, Taj Mahal, Doc Watson, Kenny Rankin, etc. with local acts opening. Local radio stations would promote shows in the park with a few local acts, sometimes a national headliner. Today these sort of concerts no longer happen.

I lived near New Haven, CT and there were a few venues that booked touring acts as well as popular local bands and then easily a dozen more that had local bands on weekends. All of these places charged covers (usually $5, national acts $10-15). I remember Michael Bolotin (soon to change his last name to Bolton) playing a Sunday night solo residency, just him and a guitar banging out mostly covers. After a couple of years he started a rock band called Blackjack that got signed, did one LP and hit the road. Bruce Kulik, later in Kiss, was in that band, too.

There were a couple of large record stores and they were always full of customers. I was buying 2 or 3 LPs a week while listening to the two commercial rock stations (one in New Haven, one in Hartford) as well as discovering college radio.

When I moved to the Boston area in 1981, the scene was similar but with even more venues and artists and more musical genres…reggae, folk and jazz were in the venues and on the radio. Even local artists got radio airplay and press. The Boston Globe had plenty of music coverage and there was also the free “alternative” paper the Boston Phoenix had even more (easily 25% of the paper). There would be ads for local concerts and many local venues took out ads. Every Thursday I could pick up the Phoenix and see what was happening for the next week. The classified ads section had a page full of musicians wanted ads. There were also a few fanzines that covered the rock scene (emphasizing punk and new wave) and some short-lived ones covering the blues scene!!!

Forty years later, that whole lifestyle revolving around buying the latest hot records, listening to the radio for hours and attending live music events has vanished. For people younger than 40 today, it’s like it never existed.
 
Forty years later, that whole lifestyle revolving around buying the latest hot records, listening to the radio for hours and attending live music events has vanished. For people younger than 40 today, it’s like it never existed.

Even people older than 40 embraced everything that was against that old way of buying music. All we ever wanted was to have a pocket full of music, and we got it, but it didn't really start with people under 40. It started with the transistor radio - then on to the Walkman/Discman, then the iPod, and now we are here. It hasn't exactly been a sudden change.
 
Cleverly chosen covers are a treat to play. There are many covers I want to play and want to be known for playing. The truth is I’d be playing them anyway—at home.

My musical pursuits aren’t how I make a living, but they ARE economically self-sustaining. Hundred-dollar gigs aren’t ideal, but I’ll take them over jamming in the garage. Getting money to stay sharp in front of an audience ain’t so bad.

And with due diligence, something better always comes along.