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8x10 - Why?

#201
PolkaHero said:
Do those extra casters get in the way of the skid rails on the back as far as getting the cabinet up stairs?
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My cabinet is old enough that it doesn't have the slide rails. The 1 or 2 times that it went up a flight of stairs, it was a matter of one person grabbing the towel bar and the other grabbing the casters and going up the stairs with it. If I had to deal with stairs more often, I'd probably go with the hand-truck approach.

The casters allow it to roll into the vehicle once it's tilted and lifted in.

Randy
 
#203
I'm a new member and have found this discussion quite interesting. My situation is a bit unique as I am a Hammond B3 player that covers bass lines in a funky rock band. I have a low pass filter with a 1/4" out that I run into a bass rig to boost the low end. I've had problems with bass rigs for years due to the unique nature of my situation, I've fried several heads and blown many speakers as the subtones produced by the B3 are very hard on bass rigs. My first bit of happiness came when I bought my Ampeg 8X10 cabinet to run my Ampeg SVT Pro4 through, but I reached Nirvana when I bought a 1974 Ampeg SVT all tube head from a friend. The B3 bass sounds AWESOME through this set up, the most like an actual bass guitar than any of the other configurations I've tried.

A couple of the speakers need to be replaced in my cabinet, is there anything I need to know ahead of time, or can I just pull the bad speakers out and replace them with the same kind? Since all 8 speakers run at the same time I didn't know if there was anything special I needed to know/do before putting the new ones in.
 
#204
Ohh I dunno- just make sure of wiring I s'pose- is all I can offer! Good on U 4 going with this KILLER set up. I regularly play with a keyboardist that has a B3 & plays tha bass as U do- I don't think he has any special bass rig tho!- he mainly plays small bars & cafe's.
BUT our keyboardist IS TOO 'anal' to ever get a rig like U got! He complains when my V4BH gets loud!!!;-( Reckons keyboardists CAN'T PLAY at that volume- we aint even loud-apart from havin a loud drummer & us keepin up with his acoustic sound!!!!!!! see my posts ages ago(3 mths) re:-
 
#205
I guess I like to play too loud. Another reason I ended up with this rig is because It's about the only one that can keep up with the volume of my Leslie speaker. We've been playing as an organ/drum duo for a few years now, so I've been making an effort to pull the volume back, but that Leslie sounds so good loud and growly it's just really hard to do. So once again the Ampeg 8X10 with the 1974 Ampeg SVT is my savior.
 
#206
A couple of the speakers need to be replaced in my cabinet, is there anything I need to know ahead of time, or can I just pull the bad speakers out and replace them with the same kind? Since all 8 speakers run at the same time I didn't know if there was anything special I needed to know/do before putting the new ones in.[/QUOTE]

Just make sure your phasing is correct. I learned that lesson 100 years ago with oddly enough, an ampeg 8x10.

I had replaced a blown speaker and didn't know about speaker phasing. Fortunately my dad was an engineer and ex musician. He showed me how to check and correct speaker phasing by thowing a nine volt battery across the speaker terminals and watching which way the cone moves.

The ampeg 8x10 will show you dramatically how much having one or more speakers out of phase can suck. The rig will work, but it will NOT work well. And you can keep turning the amp up and it will most likely not get any louder. Make sure they're all pushin forwards and you'll be ok

JKT :bassist:
 
#208
I was able to load the monster into the back seat of my Buick LeSabre today for its debut tomorrow! It didn't go in easy and takes all of the back seat, but at least I don't have to borrow somebody's truck or van to haul the behemoth around!:hyper:
 
#211
B3Bass said:
Could you please give me more detail on how to check the speaker phasing?
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Take a 9 volt battery and tie its terminals to the speaker cabinet's input jack (or alternately the speaker terminals). When all the speakers are correctly connected, they will move in the same direction, forward if you input jack is wired correctly or backwards if the input jack is reversed.
 
#213
If I could haul it around easier I would go for an 810 instead of 2 210's. The reason is that I like the sound of nonpushed speakers. Running 250 watts into each speaker (I have to run 1000 watts into my 2 B2's to keep up with the rock band I play with) doesn'tsound the same as 125 watts or even 75 watts on each speaker.

Also 300 watts into a 210 is not the same as 300 watts into an 810 as far as volume. and like someone else said, there is something about being that damn loud.. how could you not get into the music :)
There are many reasons, this is jsut one... some others might be.
"The first concert I ever atteneded and it was YES.. they rocked and that is what I want to do with music...he used it and that seems good for me." We all tend toward reflecting our environment.. dig?
Jonathan
 
#214
I agree with the question, but when i do an outdoors gig without good Pa support, then I use my Acoustic 301 cab, so I can also understand the use of 8-10s sometimes. I will say this I hate to move that Acoustic tho, and I'm sure so do the ppl that have those 8-10 cabs, if they don't have roadies
 
#215
B3Bass said:
I'm a new member and have found this discussion quite interesting. My situation is a bit unique as I am a Hammond B3 player that covers bass lines in a funky rock band. I have a low pass filter with a 1/4" out that I run into a bass rig to boost the low end. I've had problems with bass rigs for years due to the unique nature of my situation, I've fried several heads and blown many speakers as the subtones produced by the B3 are very hard on bass rigs. My first bit of happiness came when I bought my Ampeg 8X10 cabinet to run my Ampeg SVT Pro4 through, but I reached Nirvana when I bought a 1974 Ampeg SVT all tube head from a friend. The B3 bass sounds AWESOME through this set up, the most like an actual bass guitar than any of the other configurations I've tried.

I just want to thank you for using light gear:)
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#216
alexit said:
Great continuing response to this thread. Again, I probably should have put my original question differently, cause some people took it the wrong way (and a few trolled for flames), but most added something useful.

If I could do it again I'd say: What practical reasons are there to run an 8x10, aside from non-stage considerations like size/weight and superficial reasons like 'classic appeal' and 'i like the way my balls do the samba!' and assuming proper (comprehensive) PA and monitor support.
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The most practical reason that someone would get an 8x10 is because they have not been sufficiently savvy to find the NV-610.;)

OK, jesting aside, the thing that has hardly come through in most of the posts has been TONE. Everyone seems to be obsessing with power, and IME that isn't really the point. The Acoustic 360 (I know, not an 8X10) and the SVT are fabulous for their TONE, irrespective of the volume the player needs. They simply produce a tone that speaks bass, even at low volumes. That is why a player should choose their gear, and why this format is so pervasive.
 
#218
KO STRADIVARIUS said:
I played through an Ampeg 8-10 'cause I got it dirt cheap brand new.
The funny thing is I hauled it in my '69 VW beetle with a couple of Rickenbacker's too. I could take that front seat out in about 5 seconds.:)
I don't miss it though.
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i fit my 8x10 cab, 350h head, and two basses in my 70's bug.. hahahha everything is great about that!!

the sound man.. it's legendary! nothing sounds better to me than a solid cabinet pushing, literally, a wall of sound at you. if you havn't played one, it will make you pee your pant.
 
#220
After reading the whole thread, and thinking about what has been said, I have to admit it is a lil easier to move the 301, than the 210, or the 115., even if i need help to take it down, or up a set of stairs, it is not that bad, and getting it in and out of my car i don't have to lift it i juz tilt and push. The real problem is that for most of the clubs here it would be over kill. The bcabinet is a long throww design, so you need about thirty feet before you really hear or fell the thing, and most of the clubs here are wide, not long. With all that being siad, I can understand the use of the 8-10s, there is nothing else out there that will give you what a 8-10 cab gives you.
 

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