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8x10 - Why?

#164
As a road musician for many years I needed a 810 because it would always get the job done. When the amps were provided by the promoter of a show you'd never know what the amp might be or the condition the equipment would be in till you rolled in to do the show. Sometimes P.A. support was there, alot of the times it wasn't....... With a 810 in the bus you were covered.
 
#167
rockstarbassist said:
Up 2 flights of stairs? The laws of physics defy you! :spit: ;)
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They really don't.

I would rather drag and 8x10 up the stairs by its bar handle, on its skid rails than dead lift a 100lb 4x10 to carry position and bang my knuckles on the walls, not be able to see where I'm stepping, strain my back and be grumpy for the rest of the night.

I'd also prefer to drag up the 8x10 than try to carry the 4x10 up with help. One person banging his knees on the cab with each step the other straining to hold it up at chest level so it doesn't get ripped out of the other guy's hands.

A 100lb 4x10 is the hardest cab to move I've ever encountered. My GS412 is a breeze by comparison, and even though the weight is a little higher on an 8x10 ... the form factor is still way more convenient.

Try one out and really gig it. Thats what I've done and am a total convert to large format cabs.
 
#170
alexit said:
I'm trying to understand why someone would need the big "fridge" cabs. Of course they're not very practical to transport, etc, but even with all of that stuff aside, why would someone need it.

Loudness? You can get 4x10 cabs that handle 1000watts RMS. My dad is a soundman, he was doing a very loud rock show in a venue of about 2500. Bassist was playing through the ampeg fridge with an SVT-2 or similar on top. Mid-song my dad says "here, I'll take the bass out of the PA entirely". Can't even hear the difference. He says, "yeah, and the guy wanted TWO 8x10's". Isn't that what PA is for?

Plus, the "wash" that envelops the stage, getting into all of the mikes and mudding up everything. If you can't hear, get a better monitor mix, right?

I guess it's just an image thing?
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here's my smartass reply:
if you don't get it now, you never will.
if yer pop was willing to compromise the bands sound by ditching part of the mix during performance, well, as a professional engineer, i would have to say he has no business mixing. especially if you couldn't hear the difference.:spit:
 
#173
pickles said:
They really don't.

I would rather drag and 8x10 up the stairs by its bar handle, on its skid rails than dead lift a 100lb 4x10 to carry position and bang my knuckles on the walls, not be able to see where I'm stepping, strain my back and be grumpy for the rest of the night.

I'd also prefer to drag up the 8x10 than try to carry the 4x10 up with help. One person banging his knees on the cab with each step the other straining to hold it up at chest level so it doesn't get ripped out of the other guy's hands.

A 100lb 4x10 is the hardest cab to move I've ever encountered. My GS412 is a breeze by comparison, and even though the weight is a little higher on an 8x10 ... the form factor is still way more convenient.

Try one out and really gig it. Thats what I've done and am a total convert to large format cabs.
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I was being facetious for sure, as indicated by the ";)" and also to poke at the apparent mass of Physics Ph.D's we have on the forum, since that word gets used so much...

But I've never owned a 100lb 4x10 so I'm not really sure. I had to carry a Mesa Diesel 6x10 up a set by myself once, and I don't see how having less weight makes it harder. For me at least, but I'm a pretty big guy.
Doesn't matter as much anymore as my Jr. is a light 56lbs, but I can't see how carrying something 3x as heavy and big is easier by any means.
 
#174
rockstarbassist said:
But I've never owned a 100lb 4x10 so I'm not really sure. I had to carry a Mesa Diesel 6x10 up a set by myself once, and I don't see how having less weight makes it harder. For me at least, but I'm a pretty big guy.
Doesn't matter as much anymore as my Jr. is a light 56lbs, but I can't see how carrying something 3x as heavy and big is easier by any means.
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Its all about the form factor. You have to lift and carry a 4x10. You never do that with an 8x10, you drag it on its rear wheels and skid rails. Bottom mounted casters on a 4x10 are useless as soon as you encounter your first curb or stair.

The cart coelho is talking about could be nice for a 4x10 IF you can get it really securely attached and it doesn't take 10 minutes to get it ready to attempt the staircase.
 
#178
I have to use two 410s these days because of ease of hauling, but an 810 is close enough in sound that it really doesn't matter. I was just out in the garage, and fired up the rig. Gotta tell ya, there is nothing else in the world that compares to hitting a few notes and being able to FEEL it coming at ya with about 1500 or so watts. Old Entwhistle must have just loved every second of playing on stage for all of us. I love just my rig. Think of how much fun playing through some of the stuff he played through must have been, WoW! No, There is no substitute for 810s and some horsepower shoving them. Thats why!!
 
#179
Personally I like having an 810 behind me. I have had Ampeg, Peavey, and currently I use SWR. Gotta Love it!! Not too bad to move either.
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