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A career in bass playing

I majored in music at college (before Viet Nam came along) and I've been playing for over 45 years. I've never even come close to making enough to live off of music. Gas money, maybe pay a bill or two, but never completely live off music. I would recommend you take a career path that will allow you time to play in your spare time. At age 65 I'm just now at a point where I make enough playing out to supplement my Social Security. What I make playing goes in a pot for trips and fun things to do with my wife. Having a dream is a great thing, but reality always seems to get in the way.
 
You need to do what you love. I'm in a simlar situation to you, and I know that. Yeah I'm young and stupid. No I don't have experience. But I'm willing to work for what I want to do when I leave school, no matter what others think I should do. I'll make mistakes, and I may well fail, but that won't stop me from doing what I feel led to do.

Ever seen the dark knight movie? In it, bruce's dad says 'and why do we fall Bruce? So we can learn to pick ourselves back up again.' You can't go through life being something you're not, so don't try.

There's an a comic artist called jim Lee. His father wanted him to go to medical school, but Jim wouldn't have it. He promised that if he couldn't find work as an artist in a year, he'd go back to medical school and become a doctor.

Jim Lee sold the highest number of a single comic of all time, working at a job in marvel comics. He has since worked for both dc and marvel, and is the biggest artist in the comic industry.
 
This is a rare opportunity for me. You sound exactly like I did when I was your age, which was only a few years ago (I'm 25 now). If I could go back and tell myself things, this is what they would be.

1.) Learn theory. I skipped theory, and I'm paying for it now. Good on you for finding a way to make it enjoyable. You'll never regret that.

2.) Go to College. Your story made me think of Dr. Ken Jeong. Yes, he may be the naked guy from the Hangover, but he is a board certified physician. Acting was always his passion, but he went to medical school, and had a very lucrative career as a doctor, while studying improv on the side, until he landed The Hangover and his whole life changed.

3.) You probably won't change the world. Not what you want to hear, but you have to hear it. I thought I was one of the up and coming, great bassists. Then I met the world, and it chewed me up and spit me out, and showed me exactly how non-special I was. I'm not saying you aren't the next Flea, but you probably aren't the next Flea.

4.) Don't form your life around something that doesn't exist. That's probably the best piece of advice I can give you. If you had just gotten back from your 2nd national tour, and were thinking about heading to the studio to put out another platinum album or go to college, I would say hit the studio. But playing a couple shows at the community center is not a career. It's fine to do on the weekends, but you cannot shape your life around that.

I wish you the very best of luck, and I legitimately hope you make it. Unless we're trying out for the same band, in which case I hope you break all your fingers off!
 
Realistically? I know, I have to finish school. I plan to get a basic degree in college. Lets say science or business. But the music path is still very much my first choice and dream.

That's good. One thing I didn't mention in my previous comment was that having options can only be a good thing. I don't know exactly what I want to do when I leave school, but I'm taking A-level art, woodwork and music, as well as another subject which I'm yet to decide.

Going for what you want is good, having options as well is great.
 
Here's my quick and dirty:

Go to school and get a degree in something you can truly use in a number of fields, but find every opportunity you can to kick music courses in there. Get out in the scene and hit jam sessions while you are in school. Network. Offer to record tracks for people. Get familiar with the studio. Use the fact that, if you live on campus, you never have to worry about going hungry or finding a place to crash, or finding a place to rehearse. It can be one of the biggest laboratories for music for you - even if you are not a 'music major.'

I studied Music/Jazz Studies AND Multimedia Arts & Sciences (which got me recording studio experience as well) and helped land the day gig I have now, working in multimedia audio and voiceovers. When I was in school, every elective I could fill my schedule with was music-related. After I graduated, there were other jobs I held that were unrelated in any way to music along the way, but which gave me skills that could be applied to lots of different situations.

I have lived in the same town since college and started out freelancing as an upright bassist (jazz mainly) in the region even before I graduated. That shifted into work with the same steady band I've been in for the past 7 years. There has been freelance/pickup and session work along the way, and I've played in multiple bands at the same time. All of this was while working a day gig of some sort. All the while I have maintained a practice schedule on upright and electric.

Shortly after I got out of school, and a few years into being part of the 'working world' (which meant working 5 days out of the week part-time and gigging 2-3 days on the weekends), when the recession hit I lost 2 day gigs in my field at the same time within 6 months of one another, and gigging opportunities really dried up. It was like that for 2 years or so before I landed the job I have now. But, through all of that, the gigs I *did* have are what helped keep me afloat financially - as did networking connections for other music-related opportunities, and the generosity of friends and family in hard times. What also helped was having a degree that showed I was versatile, and bringing other skills to a band setting as well.

Now, I have a job doing something I like and my main band is doing well. But you know what? I am getting ready to relenquish the full-time bass chair in that band to a friend of mine because they have suddenly want to shift to a full-time touring status. We've made a lot of progress and are fairly well-regarded in the region, and have survived a drummer change about 4 years ago, so I understand why they want to do this (trying to 'MAKE IT BIG' and get more momentum), but I always look at touring from a practical standpoint.

We have been doing it now for the better part of a year and a half and I am already seeing that touring and trying to break into new markets is a financial black hole until you've been to those markets 3, 4, 5 times and have been hitting the road for several years in a row. At that point you ask yourself if it's worth it with all the expenses that are factored in (gas, lodging, food, etc.) and if you really like being away from home and your family that much. I don't. For me, I'd rather return to a multiple-band, freelance setting and control when, how much, and with who I play a bit more and not bleed myself dry on a self-funded tour. We used to make livable money playing locally and within 1-2 hours of our city and could gig and drive home in the same night. Now we lose money or break even just by the very nature of low-paying club gigs out of town. No pay-to-play though.

Anyway... the point is that you can make a living in music by going all-in, but you leave so many more options open for yourself personally and professionally if you can find a good part-time day gig perhaps and still leave room in your life to play with lots of people and establish yourself in a local scene of some sort - getting 'on the road' occasionally. Also, as mentioned by others, if you ever hope to own a home, buy a car, have good health insurance, etc., it is very likely that money from just gigs (or even teaching) won't ever really cut it, even if you are super frugal.
 
Before you go off to Engineering, Law, Science or Medicine school - are you any good at those?

If you are, go to a school in a large metropolitan area and study one of these.

AND, find a GREAT musician that will give you lessons.

If you end up in L.A., there are world-class universities AND world-class music teachers. I'm sure a similar scenario can be found in any of the 10 largest U.S. cities.

And network!

Do these BOTH for 4-5 years (i.e., however long it takes you to complete a degree). At that point, you'll have a MUCH better perspective and be loaded with knowledge (I would expect).

Repost at that time. :D
 
I LOVE MUSIC AND BASS PLAYING..Huge mistake.. I did not stay in school.

Stay in school..get degree..of somesort; engineering prererably these days.

I f you lived in Europe I would suggest music as a career, but in U S A ,culturally, music is an avocatiion..a hobby at best and lucky if you get paid.

Liklihood of becoming a rock-pop star?? Less likely than becoming a pro ball player because you played sports in school...few make it to the big leagues..same in music.

Even with degrees, some younger symphonic players have to either teach or work a straight/ day job to make ends meet.

I don't mean to sound discouraging. In fact, I am encouraging you to..stay in school.. get some sort of degree..get a straight day job for security and benefits, so you can enjoy music and not depend solely on it..as you may end up having to pawn your beloved equipment when rent is due.

Want to get married?? ....Have children??.. House ...Cars?? ...The American Dream ???EQUALS HUGE REPSONSIBILITY that $25- $50..here and there simply will not suffice. unless you want to live alone and in your parents basement..FOR NEXT 30 YEARS.

Doesn't mean you can't earn a decent SIDE income as a musician.

Read posts from BassChuck and WesleyR...AND REPEAT..

Best wishes and keep us posted.
 
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So sure, if you are in a scene that you've developed and are established therein, great. But when you look around, do you still see opportunity for someone coming into that scene and being successful? Or is it scuffle time until somebody decides to quit the scene and then there's room for readjustment.

That perhaps is my point (not to negate any of yours - I'm sure you're right-on about the NYC Broadway scene. In fact, I've met a couple of bassists who have relocated here to Nashville in the last year looking for greener pastures...) it's not enough to play great, have great gear and wear the right hat ;) - you have to find or create your own niche! It won't come to you & you have to be prepared to evolve when the scene changes.

In Nashville, it has rapidly over-saturated in the last 7-10 years. There are waaay more players than there are gigs. Still, my whole point about creating your own niche applies! The guys who have fostered the relationships and built businesses to keep themselves going are still surviving in a town that is attached to a rapidly shrinking commercial music industry. This can mean anything from expanding into writing or publications (like yourself, Ed) or developing a musical scene where there was none before (the Ten out of Tenn. artists, for example).

So, to answer your questions- yes, I still see opportunity and yes, there is often a "scuffle time" situation for those that limit themselves to already established scenes.
 
First off, it really is where you will be making a living. If making a living is the main purpose, and what music to do it with is a secondary factor - I would start checking out the wedding band scene in Malaysia first, for starters.

I happen to know a few excellent musicians of some repute. Indeed, those in and/or from Europe somewhat make a living doing gigs with the music they like to play - but those are dwindling fast, too, with the slow but sure demise of the subsidized system. In the US, or NY - nobody I know. Academia is the refuge everyone seems to be taking now.

The musical director mentioned above for Rod Stewart etc. is part of a small group of very, very good musicians who seem to be able to take care of a decent chunk of the session work in town. I suppose they make money but I am pretty sure that the groups they do to push their own music are not what sustains them. And I perceive them as the exception rather than the rule.

It is possible to have a life filled with rewarding music - but the real issue i see around me is when people get a bit older. That is when all at once a health insurance is not something to easily skip over for a while; when you are going to need those medical checkups and so on. This when I see the real hardships set in: great musicians by themselves who gave their lives to their art, never learned another marketable skill, didn't marry a woman with a professional background and a secure job, and now in their fifties live in squalor in an attic in Greenpoint or upstate with medical issues they can't have treated.

I admire them for living through these hardships and sacrificing any comforts of life for music. I do not envy them.
 
I got a degree in music but I also minored in math/computers. That was a great decision for me. My computer work allows me to provide for my family and im able to lead the music ministry in my church to satisfy my music.

My vote is to have a backup plan. Its the most prudent choice.
 
-Go to school for SOMETHING. Like business or Japanese.
-Learn to sight read.
-Pick a couple of your favorite genres, and be the best you can be at those genres: learn all the classics, popular repeated patterns & phrases, dance moves, etc.
-SING! start singing now, take vocal classes, you will only get better with time.
-start your own band staying within these genres, make books for all the other musicians
-network with anyone and everyone who will listen.
-get in good physical shape. work out, eat right, look your best. smile a lot.
-buy a nice suit that fits well.
-join musicians union
-Have fun! if you are stressing about things while doing this, is it really worth it ?

I did it for a few years, made a living off playing bass.
Only way I was able to do it was with the help of a loving woman, a gym membership, and strong work ethic. Every day you have to book gigs, rehearse, study, etc.
 
The musical director mentioned above for Rod Stewart etc. is part of a small group of very, very good musicians who seem to be able to take care of a decent chunk of the session work in town. I suppose they make money but I am pretty sure that the groups they do to push their own music are not what sustains them. And I perceive them as the exception rather than the rule.

Yes, the Rod/George/film scoring/production stuff subsidizes the recording and touring of the music-they-like band.


And as to the second part of your post - let us not forget Dennis Irwin, first call jazz bassist who recorded and toured with everybody, who died because his cancer was diagnosed too late for treatment as a result of having a health plan that he could afford but made routine check ups and visits too costly, out of pocket.
 
i would suggest from my experience moving to nyc.....
1.most of the good bass players here teach and have day gigs

2. some day gigs seem cool but not sure if they are

3. its okay to have a day gig

4. music is a process and dig deep with a good teacher or group of teachers

5. it takes a lifetime :-)
 
Just a random side-comment:

IF you decide to do the university thing and get a "practical" degree, make sure it really is employable. A lot of my students go into college with a lot of assumptions about what's practical that don't always pan out. For example, some recent stats show that business majors are amongst the most underemployed (precisely because there are so damn many of them), while on the other hand, many humanities majors have no problem inserting themselves into the corporate world (thanks to their critical thinking and communication skills, etc.). Anyway, bottom line - do some research before you shell out a ton of cash on a fancy degree ...
 
If you can learn a marketable trade w/o suffering the indoctrination and financially debilitating process of getting a degree, do it. Making music nowadays for a wage is reserved for a rare few as virtually every recorded note is made available at no charge. Many of us opt for a trade where we can afford to enjoy our music and buy gear on our own time. ...and eat.

Good luck!
 
THIS... Not only has the music industry changed in exponential ways since I started playing and went to college back in '98/99, but the entire world of higher education has changed too, mainly in terms of cost. I can only imagine how much my degree would cost me now if I were to do it all over again. It was downright manageable and affordable back then. Now you go to the grave with student loan debt it seems. Very sad.

If you can learn a marketable trade w/o suffering the indoctrination and financially debilitating process of getting a degree, do it.

Good luck!