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A career in bass playing

As a career music veteran of 45+ years my advice to staying active in the music field is this:
Learn tunes in many styles. Hang with the rockers, rednecks, jazzbos, bluesmen, latins, experimentalists.
Jam & learn. Then you will be fairly qualified to jump in and play in a lot of situations that will pay.
Keep practicing and stay involved in the learning process.
Learn chart reading also.
Learn writing charts and number system (Nashville).
Use your business education to help you as a self employed worker. Business ed is a +.
Make solid relationships and try not to burn bridges. You might get hired by a former bandmate someday. And referrals are a big part of staying busy and making money in music. Most of this has worked for me and at 58, I'm busier than ever playing! Good luck! :cool:
 
To reiterate what everyone else has said, yes it's a tough gig to get into. One bit of information to keep in your head throughout your pursuit of music AND in life in general is "If I had this idea, there's a 99.99% chance that someone else already has as well". Nobody gets into or starts a band to achieve mediocrity, we all watched/listened in amazement as the Beatles played on TV, when we heard Led Zeppelin or Pink Floyd on the radio, when we saw Guns n' Roses live in concert, or (for the younger guys like me) had your mind blown when you first heard Smells Like Teen Spirit. We all want to get there just like those guys, and you very well MIGHT, but you more than likely won't, and you need to have a backup plan.

There are plenty of people who make it later in life and have/had full-on careers before REALLY getting somewhere with their music. Tool would be a good example. At age 25 I have a self-sustaining income and a day job that I like quite a bit. The dream is to get where those guys are, but I won't be eating tuna out of a can and living at a homeless shelter to "get there". I'm not sure how bands or the music scene is in your neck of the woods, but I personally will pass over somebody that doesn't have stable, 9 to 5 employment when it comes to band members. If they can't hold down a decent job, it's VERY unlikely they will be super reliable when it comes to the commitment that a band takes. If they are serious, they'll come by after work, get up at a decent time on saturday mornings instead of sleeping in until 1pm, and save up money to cover gear and gig expenses in general. The myth is that you have to be a penniless teenager, fresh outta high school, and have magically acquired tons of talent by learning to shred and smoking lots of pot to become a rock god without even stepping foot into any higher education institution. There are some things wrong with this though:

1) You may be talented, but that guy (points away) will be better than you every day of the week and twice on sunday(better looking while he does it too). So you better have something else to offer besides just raw talent and your looks, because he plays faster and looks prettier to boot....but we all know how much people despise good-looking and talented people ;)

2) Originality! You've got a totally unique and edgy sound that oozes with character and artsy angst. Only one problem...nobody really likes your music. Because it doesn't have a bouncy beat or isn't what they are pumping at the clubs, your music sort of becomes a novelty that really doesn't go anywhere. That's ok though, when 4 or 5 other bands tweak it slightly and get swooped up by record companies because the time is right, you'll have your artistic integrity to pay the bills and make sure you don't die of starvation. Besides, your bandmates were tired of playing your music anyways, which brings me to my next point.

3) So you're the cat's butt, you've got the talent, look, and sound...but you've got nobody to play it with you. Sure your stuff sounds awesome, but if you don't have some other guys to play it with you and convince the talent scouts that it's worthwhile, you aren't going much of anywhere. Also, be prepared for these guys to never have money when it's necessary (when eating, paying for gas, fronting money for other important things), but will waste most of it on getting drunk and being too hung over to show up for band practice, gigs, or funerals.

4) Lets say all the planets have aligned, it's a blue moon, a solar eclipse happened, and pigs just flew....you just got signed for a big record deal! You're on the road to fame and success like a jet taking off from a runway. You'll go and record an album which will actually be written mostly by a producer with little input by you, it will consist of 2 or 3 decent songs and 1 hit song that you all hate but will sell records and get panties thrown up on stage. You'll play the hit song until you all want to vomit and will then be dropped like a hot rock the next year when the album receives terrible critiques and you'll be yesterday's news like so many other bands before you. All the while, you'll have made less money than if you worked as a package delivery man for a parcel service.



Depressing and cynical this may be, it happens to many many many many unsuspecting young guys/gals. The whole point of that lecture and rambling is to make sure you keep your priorities straight and don't make unnecessary sacrifices that will hinder/ruin nobody's life but your own. Be smart, get a decent (not one that owns your life completely though) job and then pursue your music career with caution and wisdom. Don't worry, music isn't going anywhere...it'll still be there when you get older :)
 
Job market is bleak in ALL fields.

A new study from Pew Research Center said in 2012 more 18 to 31 year olds or millenials, were living with their parents now than in the past four decades. The study, based on Census Bureau data, showed that 36 percent of young people are stay at home children. The study cites several factors for the increase including declining employment, rising college enrollment and declining marriage rates. Young men were more likely to stay at home versus young women, 40 percent to 32 percent.

It's worse in Europe & China.

TOO many people going to college, no jobs after the expensive useless degree, education debt, and on and on...

Play bass and and live at home in the basement!

:bawl:
 
As a career music veteran of 45+ years my advice to staying active in the music field is this:
Learn tunes in many styles. Hang with the rockers, rednecks, jazzbos, bluesmen, latins, experimentalists.
Jam & learn. Then you will be fairly qualified to jump in and play in a lot of situations that will pay.
Keep practicing and stay involved in the learning process.
Learn chart reading also.
Learn writing charts and number system (Nashville).
Use your business education to help you as a self employed worker. Business ed is a +.
Make solid relationships and try not to burn bridges. You might get hired by a former bandmate someday. And referrals are a big part of staying busy and making money in music. Most of this has worked for me and at 58, I'm busier than ever playing! Good luck! :cool:

All great advice!
 
Job market is bleak in ALL fields.

A new study from Pew Research Center said in 2012 more 18 to 31 year olds or millenials, were living with their parents now than in the past four decades. The study, based on Census Bureau data, showed that 36 percent of young people are stay at home children. The study cites several factors for the increase including declining employment, rising college enrollment and declining marriage rates. Young men were more likely to stay at home versus young women, 40 percent to 32 percent.

It's worse in Europe & China.

TOO many people going to college, no jobs after the expensive useless degree, education debt, and on and on...

Play bass and and live at home in the basement!

:bawl:

I read that, too. It's a sad situation the US labor force has found itself in.
 
I write the following as a person with a Ph.D. who loves their career, but also loves to play bass and has been on the bubble around the professional world for a while, so I have a sense for it:

Getting a college degree is NOT a requirement and anyone who tells you it is clearly hasn't been watching the news lately. A huge problem facing the Millennials is the fact that they were basically herded to college, loaded up with debt, and that was when their elders shrugged and said "good luck with that". If only people had been willing to let more of their kids try other things; college is great for some but useless for others and I almost look at it as debt enslavement because they piddled around for four years because it was "the thing to do" and now they are way, way in the hole with not much they can do about it working at Starbucks.

If there is not a profession you love as much or nearly as much as bass, you need to do one of two things. You need to either find that career now and start getting educated for it (while still pursuing bass) or you just need to pursue bass as a career. Consider a community college to get an associates so you can always have "the basics" and be able to transfer to a school for better professional training later (except the humanities; avoid getting a degree in the humanities like the plague in this economy, if you love it, just do it and network it). You are far better off with no student debt pursuing the bass as a pro if you love to do it, and it is very much something you can do. You have to be willing to travel and network and be a pro, but that's it.

Don't let people cheat you into thinking you have to go to college! I have seen so many of my friends from undergrad fall by the wayside. For what I do, I had to go to school, but if I had just been in it to play bass, it would have been a near-100% waste of time (and I took some music theory, btw).
 
My advice:

  • Get a degree.
  • Stay single for as long as you can (at least until age 35).
  • Don't ever get involved with females who are financial deadbeats.
If you abide by those three rules, your chances of having a happy life are increased dramatically, and you will then have the flexibility to pursue a music career on the side to your heart's content.
 
You'll never be as good at something you hate as you will at something you love.

Which is precisely why I went to school for science and made music an avocation, because I love music and I didn't want my dissatisfaction with the industry of music to strip that love away.

It's great that you've been able to do what you have, but the negativity may be closer to words of warning rather than just straight negativity.
 
-Go to school for SOMETHING. Like business or Japanese.
-Learn to sight read.
-Pick a couple of your favorite genres, and be the best you can be at those genres: learn all the classics, popular repeated patterns & phrases, dance moves, etc.
-SING! start singing now, take vocal classes, you will only get better with time.
-start your own band staying within these genres, make books for all the other musicians
-network with anyone and everyone who will listen.
-get in good physical shape. work out, eat right, look your best. smile a lot.
-buy a nice suit that fits well.
-join musicians union
-Have fun! if you are stressing about things while doing this, is it really worth it ?

I did it for a few years, made a living off playing bass.
Only way I was able to do it was with the help of a loving woman, a gym membership, and strong work ethic. Every day you have to book gigs, rehearse, study, etc.
What does your gym membership have to do with anything?
 
Jim Lee sold the highest number of a single comic of all time, working at a job in marvel comics. He has since worked for both dc and marvel, and is the biggest artist in the comic industry.

It's a nice anecdote but for every Jim Lee there are probably a thousand who dreamed of becoming a comic book artist, and have at least as much talent, but who have not succeeded, for a variety of reasons, some of which might be no more than luck.

Like any career as someone who is self-employed it will take sufficient talent, organisational skills, financial skills, contacts and networking, self-promotion, and the ability to be in the right place at the right time (part of that is luck, part contacts and self-promotion so you get invited to places where you can be in the right place, and are known to be there). Those who make a living from music here are are doing well, and my hat is off to them for being able to combine all the above skills. I know someone personally who makes a living from music, but he has good business skills and was prepared to change genres and business tack when the market changed.
 
You'll never be as good at something you hate as you will at something you love.

My worry would be that the level of committment needed to keep the money rolling in could mean that what you love is turned into something you hate. Which is why having a decent education is not a bad thing to have to fall back on should that happen, so you can turn music back into a hobby you enjoy.

Even Pete Townshend had a backup career with a publisher. (A friend of mine worked for a printing firm, and Pete Townshend was his contact in Faber and Faber for a while).

Others (Ian Anderson and Roger Daltrey with fish farming at various points in time, the McCartney's with vegetarian food, Peter Gabriel with online music services, Neil Young with toy trains, the late Joe Strummer with forestry and environmental concerns business) have/had additional business concerns such that if they became unsuccessful musically they still have backup plans. Probably harder to do if you are working as a session musician and don't have the spare financial resources.
 
P.S. Obviously some people manage to keep it something they love. But I suspect it takes organisation to make sure that the business management side of things doesn't intrude, so hats off to those that make it all work!
 
Now that the 'do what you love' crowd has begun to chime in I'll throw this into the mix as well:

I went into college considering a degree in music. I passed the auditions and theory tests, and all that was left was signing up for classes. I quickly realized once I saw my proposed schedule for the fall semester that music was going to turn into a job. They wanted 19 hours of classes a week, around 10 hours of group rehearsal time a week, 2-3 hours of private rehearsal a week, and they expected each student to see 2-3 music shows a week as well. This is without counting personal practice and study time, extra curricular activities on campus, hang out time with friends, etc... and all the music stuff they wanted me to do was not stuff I found useful or interesting to study.

I ended up going for a degree in business while pursuing music as a personal interest on the side. Personally, I think that was the better of the two paths to take for a variety of reasons:

1. It kept music fun and allowed me to grow however I wanted. I wasn't bound by curriculum.
2. I was able to study something else, and thus expand myself as a person. Business was great because I was able to take concepts I learned there and apply them to the gigging world.
3. Despite not being in the music school, I still got to play with a lot of musicians who were in the school's program. I got their knowledge and skills while also gaining valuable business skills through my business courses that none of them gained through their music courses (honestly, I think I'm much better rounded than some of those cats :hiding:).
4. In case music doesn't work out I still have a backup plan. Most of the guys I know coming out of the music school aren't doing too hot, and their options aren't nearly as great as my own.
 
My worry would be that the level of committment needed to keep the money rolling in could mean that what you love is turned into something you hate. Which is why having a decent education is not a bad thing to have to fall back on should that happen, so you can turn music back into a hobby you enjoy.

Even Pete Townshend had a backup career with a publisher. (A friend of mine worked for a printing firm, and Pete Townshend was his contact in Faber and Faber for a while).

Others (Ian Anderson and Roger Daltrey with fish farming at various points in time, the McCartney's with vegetarian food, Peter Gabriel with online music services, Neil Young with toy trains, the late Joe Strummer with forestry and environmental concerns business) have/had additional business concerns such that if they became unsuccessful musically they still have backup plans. Probably harder to do if you are working as a session musician and don't have the spare financial resources.

I definitely agree with u on not having all ur irons in one fire but most of your examples are of wildly successful musicians on a global scale and lending/endorsing their name/ownership to a business just adds to the credibility/marketability of that business.
 
But I'm in my 20s in NYC and surrounded by professional musicians of my generation who are making it happen. The industry is changing and we're the ones writing the rules and charting out the waters.

Do these professional musicians work 40 hours per week 52 weeks a year at a good pay rate with benefits, 401k, vacation pay, sick pay, and do they get raises and have job security? When they travel are their plane tickets paid for? do they get meals paid for? do they get lodging paid for? Do they get promotions and raises to stay ahead of inflation?

Those are all things a professional job gives you.
 
I would say go to school in business or computers with a minor in music. you want to make it in a business and to do that you need to know how to use computers so those will be valuable skills to a working musician as well as any other profession.

if you plan on doing just music here are a couple more suggestions:
learn to teach- all levels from little kids to college
learn upright/fretless/ multiple stings- the key here is versatility
learn to read- this should give you the skills to play pit/orchestra/jingle gigs
have the right gear- if you look at the session players they have loads of basses, most of which are fender p/j/pj.
learn to play piano- maby not at a pro jazz level but if you can do some accompaniment for local dance/theater it will fill up your schedule and bank account. and help with writing/transcribing/arranging
learn to sing- lots of cover bands need harmonies
learn to compose and arrange- tv commercials, local high school music programs might want some new material, your own creative outlet
learn to conduct- rather then playing in an unpaid community band you could be paid to lead it
lead your own band- you will learn more about working with others, choosing set lists, how gigs are obtained.
try and DJ. might not be playing music but it is still music and learning to work with a crowd (bars are a steady gig and weddings pay well. sound system and lights will be needed by your band too)
look into going out on the cruise ships gigs
look into military bands- might have to join the reserves but is a steady income
dress the part- even if it just a bad bar gig with a bad cover band; dress well, that means a collar and clean shoes.
lean a bit about setting up instruments. able to do your own saves a bit of money and doing someone else's makes you money (electronics too)

as you take "day jobs" try and work in related fields. for example: arts and culture if you are in Gov't, start doing sales at a music store and work into tech and or management. working for a "label" in the office doing marketing, working for an agency.

all of this requires you to be pushing for it, not waiting for someone else to get you the gigs.