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A guide to sounding like Joe Dart from Vulfpeck

At least understand that Vulfpeck is polarizing - not everyone loves them, and not everyone is required to.

They are a band that a lot of people do like but a lot of others don't. Generalizing massively but supported by others' comments here, the people who like them tend to be people who have heard less music and those who don't tend to be people with broader listening experience - again, not my conclusion in this thread but I agree with it.

So they make good fodder for discussion versus universal agreement, which isn't any fun.
There were a few other threads about vulfpeck/dart that came out around the same time and I thought I noticed the same people making the same comments in each one. One guy even quoted himself.

There's a "how do I get a Geddy tone?" thread created almost daily. I'm not a big Rush fan but don't feel the need say so in every thread. Same with Jaco, Claypool, Rocco... Great players, their music doesn't move me, but others can enjoy them without me peeing in their wheaties every time they want to discuss.
 
I've tried pretty hard to figure out why I don't like Vulfpeck more than I do. The answer's not obvious and I don't think it's about Joe Dart specifically.

Here's what I think it is:

Funky instrumental jazz fusion band with chopsy bass player.

That's a formula that's been around for a very long time. It's been done really, really well. Like, incredibly well. Vulfpeck is a decent band - there's not a weak link among the members from what I can see. But I'm 50 years old now, I've heard a lot of this kind of stuff - there's better out there. Vulfpeck's music is pretty straightforward, I find it musically "accurate" but not very interesting or emotive. Not that "funky instrumental jazz fusion" is supposed to be emotive per se, but these guys just come off as mechanical. And I really can't stand the keyboard player's antics.

At risk of drawing fire for a specific comparison, I'd look at Garaj Mahal as having roughly the same musical formula but with more intersting songwriting breadth and in my opinion better playing across the band.

Does bring me around to a really good thing about Vulfpeck, though. Maybe Garaj Mahal is "better," but very few people outside of a certain scene in the Bay Area know about them. Vulfpeck on the other hand filled up Red Rocks here a couple years ago, on their own. They have passed a certain popularity tipping point, and good for them.

Vulfpeck is one of seemingly few bands who play real musical instruments, play them hard, and who seem built for the live experience. They are attracting a lot of young players and making them more interested in their style of music. Gateway band, maybe. That, in itself, is a great service.

So I don't love Vulfpeck personally but I'm glad they're around.

That's interesting, because I had exactly the same thought while watching Vulfpeck at MSG. Garaj seems to have so much more to offer. But then again, they're old guys and don't have the requisite "Millenial/Zoomer sensibilities" to be able to fill Red Rocks or MSG :(
Does Garaj Mahal really have a similar musical formula? Based on my admittedly brief research, I don't see it.

Vulfpeck is more than an instrumental jazz fusion band. If that were strictly the case, had they simply stuck to what they were doing on their first two EPs (the only all-instrumental records in a catalog of 4 EPs and 5 LPs), I would have still liked them, but I seriously doubt they would have sold out MSG or even Red Rocks. Sure, instrumentals are a substantial part of what they do.

But Vulfpeck also has quite a few songs at this point with vocals and pop hooks--1612, Wait for the Moment, and Back Pocket are just a few examples--and those tend to be among their most popular tunes based on Youtube views and their presence in Vulf's live setlists (vocal songs are about half the set list, if not more). We all have been around long enough to know that those types of songs tend to sell more tickets and records, too.

Does Garaj Mahal have material like that? Wiki has pages for three of their albums, and only one album has a vocalist in the credits. Also, this band doesn't appear to have even released a record since 2010 (Vulfpeck hadn't even formed at that point), and apparently they took a very long hiatus, 2011-18. So they've been a functioning band for about 2 years out of the past decade. Sensibilities and age don't matter when you're not even around.
 
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Does Garaj Mahal really have a similar musical formula? Based on my admittedly brief research, I don't see it.

Vulfpeck is more than an instrumental jazz fusion band. If that were strictly the case, had they simply stuck to what they were doing on their first two EPs (the only all-instrumental records in a catalog of 4 EPs and 5 LPs), I would have still liked them, but I seriously doubt they would have sold out MSG or even Red Rocks. Sure, instrumentals are a substantial part of what they do.

But Vulfpeck also has quite a few songs at this point with vocals and pop hooks--1612, Wait for the Moment, and Back Pocket are just a few examples--and those tend to be among their most popular tunes based on Youtube views and their presence in Vulf's live setlists (vocal songs are about half the set list, if not more). We all have been around long enough to know that those types of songs tend to sell more tickets and records, too.

Does Garaj Mahal have material like that? Wiki has pages for three of their albums, and only one album has a vocalist in the credits. Also, this band doesn't appear to have even released a record since 2010 (Vulfpeck hadn't even formed at that point), and apparently they took a very long hiatus, 2011-18. So they've been a functioning band for about 2 years out of the past decade. Sensibilities and age don't matter when you're not even around.
They have a couple songs with vocals. None of them are their best work.

I don't think Garaj plays as a group anymore, except for an occasional gig they do. Ten years ago they were on the road all the time, but I think they just got old and tired. This was part of my point - Garaj Mahal is a better band, or was. But Vulfpeck has connected with a far larger audience and I credit them there.
 
Does Garaj Mahal really have a similar musical formula? Based on my admittedly brief research, I don't see it.

Vulfpeck is more than an instrumental jazz fusion band. If that were strictly the case, had they simply stuck to what they were doing on their first two EPs (the only all-instrumental records in a catalog of 4 EPs and 5 LPs), I would have still liked them, but I seriously doubt they would have sold out MSG or even Red Rocks. Sure, instrumentals are a substantial part of what they do.

But Vulfpeck also has quite a few songs at this point with vocals and pop hooks--1612, Wait for the Moment, and Back Pocket are just a few examples--and those tend to be among their most popular tunes based on Youtube views and their presence in Vulf's live setlists (vocal songs are about half the set list, if not more). We all have been around long enough to know that those types of songs tend to sell more tickets and records, too.

Does Garaj Mahal have material like that? Wiki has pages for three of their albums, and only one album has a vocalist in the credits. Also, this band doesn't appear to have even released a record since 2010 (Vulfpeck hadn't even formed at that point), and apparently they took a very long hiatus, 2011-18. So they've been a functioning band for about 2 years out of the past decade. Sensibilities and age don't matter when you're not even around.

All good points. Garaj does have some vocal tunes on each of its LPs, but they're often spoken, rapped, or konnakol syllablizations. And they're definitely in the minority.

I guess I was latching on to the instrumentals for comparison.
 
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Q: How can you tell if a bassist doesn't like Vulfpeck?

A: Don't worry, they'll tell you!
That's actually pretty funny. Full credit.

Sometimes a person or concept is polarizing. Not because people on one side or the other of the issue are wrong, but just because it's polarizing. Vulfpeck is like that. This is a discussion board, not an agreement board.
 
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I guess it's the Pareto principle - its 80% technique and 20% amp/bass settings. Here is my humble attempt.

I have the J-pickup set to 100% and the bridge pickup at around 60% to give the sound a bit more body. The tone knob is almost completely closed—when it’s fully closed, the mids become too prominent. With a slightly open tone knob, the sound gains a bit more bite, and the mids are toned down. I recorded this video using the HX Stomp with a B15 sound and a bit of compression. However, muting with the left hand and playing staccato notes over the bridge is key, I guess...

 
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I guess it's the Pareto principle - its 80% technique and 20% amp/bass settings. Here is my humble attempt.

I have the J-pickup set to 100% and the bridge pickup at around 60% to give the sound a bit more body. The tone knob is almost completely closed—when it’s fully closed, the mids become too prominent. With a slightly open tone knob, the sound gains a bit more bite, and the mids are toned down. I recorded this video using the HX Stomp with a B15 sound and a bit of compression. However, muting with the left hand and playing staccato notes over the bridge is key, I guess...


Nicely done.
 
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