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A question about morality and media

#41
4dog said:
There are inherent "wrongs" and we all know them, we could all name them, we just wont because this thread would close in a heartbeat, maybe quicker.
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And why? Because being told that ANYTHING is "wrong" offends many. ANYTHING. And we can't have people getting offended.

Hey, I don't hate people who disagree with me. I don't even think they are stupid. (Just wrong :cool:)It's just a discussion. Nobody is getting hurt here.
 
#42
two fingers said:
Well, THERE is where the huge dividing line between out views lies.

Beating someone with a crowbar is inherently wrong. Even if you have a "good reason", that doesn't make it right.
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Even if that good reason is self defense?

two fingers said:
Sex with a small child is inherently wrong. I don't care what your moral structure (or lack thereof) is. That has nothing to do with a smooth-running society, religion, morality in general, etc.

Theft is inherently wrong. Again, a "good reason" (such as feeding your family for instance) doesn't make it right. It's still wrong, even if you have a good reason.
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I agree all those things are wrong.

I'm not saying there aren't right and wrong - I'm saying "right" and "wrong" were evolved by humanity based on what made small tribal societies work.

They are not wrong inherently, or because some bearded guy in the sky says so - they're wrong (and recognized as such across most societies) because of the negative effect they have on the society.
 
#43
Not to get into semantics but the term inherently can lead to confusion. There's definitely things that are at the extreme end of the "wrong" spectrum to men. The key words being "to men". Are the things inherently wrong? I wouldn't think so, imo. morality is man-made. With that conception, the "wrong" is not an essential constituent or characteristic or an action, but something added by our perception of it.
 
#44
UncleFluffy said:
A 13 year old should not be playing Grand Theft Auto. It's rated "M" for "Mature" and this is clearly printed on the box, visible before purchase.

Video games don't magically float in through open windows, people (usually adults) are responsible for purchasing them, selling them and allowing them to stay in the house.

Allowing your kid to play an M-rated game is like allowing them to drink alcohol. They're not ready for it.
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You really shouldn't try to thrust blame on video games, violent movies, violent tv shows, etc... I shot my first real gun when I was 8, I saw the movie Aliens when I was around 9 or 10, I was playing Grand Theft Auto 3 when I was 11, I was allowed to have an occasional glass of wine at home by the time I was 14, etc... and I turned out fine. Most of my other close friends who were raised similarly all turned out fine, too. Heck, most of us even came from homes with divorced parents who yelled and argued a lot. It's easy to blame violent games and movies, and that's why it happens. Unfortunately, those aren't the things that dictate someone's moral compass. Having a parent remind you to mind your manners, get your work done on time, to not be a slouch, and to shower you with praise when you do well, however, does.
 
#47
jmattbassplaya said:
You really shouldn't try to thrust blame on video games, violent movies, violent tv shows, etc... I shot my first real gun when I was 8, I saw the movie Aliens when I was around 9 or 10, I was playing Grand Theft Auto 3 when I was 11, I was allowed to have an occasional glass of wine at home by the time I was 14, etc... and I turned out fine.
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Similar here (though it was beer first for me, a glass of wine with dinner came later), and for most kids. However, I believe that the risk of harm is greater for children than for adults so parents have responsibility to supervise media consumption.

edit: You're right, my post should have said "they're not ready for it without supervision" rather than "they're not ready for it" full stop.
 
#49
So much to say that will offend so many sensibilities and muzzled by politically correct muzzles and silenced by a forum that doesnt allow it, some things need to be said forthright and loudly , but, i like it here .
A calmer less hotheaded approach would be best, i lack that approach, sadly.
 
#51
Ziltoid said:
If your next question is "is man the measure of all things" you can stop right there, let's not get into this :p
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but, yeah, Plato/Protagoras got there first.
 
#52
jmattbassplaya said:
You really shouldn't try to thrust blame on video games, violent movies, violent tv shows, etc... I shot my first real gun when I was 8, I saw the movie Aliens when I was around 9 or 10, I was playing Grand Theft Auto 3 when I was 11, I was allowed to have an occasional glass of wine at home by the time I was 14, etc... and I turned out fine. Most of my other close friends who were raised similarly all turned out fine, too. Heck, most of us even came from homes with divorced parents who yelled and argued a lot. It's easy to blame violent games and movies, and that's why it happens. Unfortunately, those aren't the things that dictate someone's moral compass. Having a parent remind you to mind your manners, get your work done on time, to not be a slouch, and to shower you with praise when you do well, however, does.
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A problem is letting mentally ill kids watch violent entertainment, imo.
 
#54
Relic said:
Though this seems to be a part of every discussion, I figured that Id throw it out there again - all of this aforementioned stuff yet in spite of it, we still live in the safest era of human history statistically speaking, no?
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Yes. Unlike previous eras in history we don't have hordes of barbarians at our gates laying siege on us. We are not at the mercy of unknown killer diseases, murderous civil, racial, or religious wars. We are not subject to barbarous religious rites, or monomaniacal rulers. We are not laid waste by killer natural disasters that strike without warning. Yes, this is the safest era in human history. Untold millions will go to bed tonight with full bellies and in complete safety.

Now I'm not saying it's perfect, too many of our brothers and sisters are still living in substandard conditions. But a study of history will show that the times we live in are really the best of times, despite what the media might say. ;)
 

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