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A question about morality and media
- Thread starter burk48237
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It's quite easy to keep a population pinned down with fear too, the joys of having a secret police which will dispose of you with no noise, no trial, just because you spoke out or disagreed (the HSA has nothing on the gestapo).
It's also an indicator of what massive external pressure and a huge poverty over the previous war can cause.
Not to mention fairly obvious reasons why outsiders were trying to avoid war at all costs.
My suggestion is they don't see a big market for it because it's not who they are.
As an example. One of the things you'll notice for instance on popular TV is that people are rarely portrayed going to church and when they are it's almost always a staid mainstream older styled church. About 42% of the country goes to some kind of church regularly and if you look at church growth numbers they are attending far more modern type churches. And yet in my whole life I don't ever recall seeing a depiction of a modern church service on a popular prime time show. Why is that?
I'm not suggesting they hate Christians. Just that they honestly don't know any. It's not who they are, and they are too lazy to depict any aspect of culture they don't know with any reality. And I would suggest further that the morality they depict is their morality. You see an awful lot of shows where spouses cheat regularly because they cheat on their spouses regularly. You see an awful lot of shows with drunken loutish behavior, because it's what they do.
It has nothing to do with their capitalism. They just feed our lesser nature because they're lazy and it's easier to for them to portray what they're familiar with.
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That list has quite a few people who were involved with nazism in one way or another and helped to save hundreds or thousands of Jewish lives during the holocaust.
That list has quite a few people who were involved with nazism in one way or another and helped to save hundreds or thousands of Jewish lives during the holocaust.
The number of people who were members of the Nationalist Socialist party or voted for it is way to high for anybody to make gross generalizations out of its members or voters.
Josef Schiffer is another non-monster nazi. John Rabe
And besides that, Nazis did a few good things, animal conservation, anti-tobacco movements, welfare programs, Volkswagen, etc.
OP is comparing kid shows from back in the days with +10yo rated series. Kids are not supposed to watch the Sopranos.
Ok, lets get your view straight:
1) Mainstream media doesn't portray shows with morals X.
2) Christian and Family Media DOES portray shows with morals X.
3) People want shows which portray morals X.
4) Mainstream media trounces Christian/Family media in the marketplace.
How do you reconcile #4 with #1-#3?
I would consider the Schindlers and the Bonhoffers not Nazis, but dissenters and resistors. I didn't say every German was a monster, but every Nazi was. Were there some who chose to resist from with in? Sure, but a vast majority of the nation chose to look the other way. And remember Kristolnacht happened well before the Gestapo and SS organizations had the control on the country they exercised during the war. But very few if any really spoke up.
Yeah, and Stalin did some good things too. It doesn't change the fact that he was evil butcher who intentionally starved millions of people to death. To borrow a line from Steely Dan, "wherever he is I'm sure he's smoking now". And those who were in power with them (the bureaucrats, SS officers, and commissars) are just as culpable
This. You also have to consider Germany's economic position and employment rate during that time period.
Take out that whole mass human extermination thing and you got some swell fellows. Oh well, everybody makes mistakes.
Time. I'm pretty sure you're over analyzing this and reading into it what you want to read into it. TV shows have a set amount of time they can run for. For 30 minute shows it's something like 22 minutes, and for hour long shows it's 42 and change I think. This means they have to come up with at least that much material, and then refine that material and pare down and trim the fat. Things that aren't crucial to the plot are usually left by the wayside, regardless of what they are. It may satisfy the wants of some to depict the family going to church every episode, but without mixing some sort of revelation into the mix, the actual process of going to church is extraordinarily boring for most people to watch. And as far as your description of how the churches are portrayed, there aren't many shows (that I'm aware of), that are set in places where the residents have the money to build a mega-church or a really modern one, with the exception of Suburgatory and Modern Family probably, but in each of those shows the main cast of characters aren't religious.
Here's some context to Burk's postings that I think is important for people to read: http://www.talkbass.com/forum/f69/question-about-schools-shootings-morality-940675/
That's fine, but as was mentioned, schindler was a member of the Nazi party, and a few of the people on the list I linked were either in the Wehrmacht, or SS, or in other ways associated with nazism.
You can't classify some one as "not a nazi" when they, in fact, were one. You ought to know that.
bongomania
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Speaking of Nazis, I highly recommend the recent movie "Iron Sky", a documentary 
about a recent Nazi resurgance. It's on Netflix streaming, check it out!
about a recent Nazi resurgance. It's on Netflix streaming, check it out!
2) is a false premise. CBN has very little if any original programing. They do some syndication. But to compare their resources to a network like a Time Warner or Sony is a non-sequitur.
The reality is almost all prime time TV programing is controlled by very few people. A new networks ability to break in is very borderline. Most of the premium stuff you see is being run by subsidiaries of the same organizations.
HBO is Time Warner, Showtime is CBS. The reality is they all hang out at the same parties, and probably sleep with each others wives.
But there have been more than a few shows that were successful that presented a moral (another one that comes to mind is Seventh Heaven) but there has never been any rush by Network executives to copycat these successful shows, like there is with the so-called cutting edge stuff. I suspect it's because for most network execs it's like dealing with a foreign language.
