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A thread for with which to vent.

If they're "actually doing some work" they shouldn't have the energy or time to flap their lips. Did I force anyone to take a job? No, cuz I took a job as well. Don't cry over being shafted when you didn't have the qualifications.

Yeah, how dare they! Everyone knows that having the qualifications to work in the office also gives the right to question why the warehouse ilk even have time or energy to speak to each other. It's really too bad we can't go back to using slave labor to make sure those scummy physical labor losers have no energy left to speak.

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Yeah, how dare they! Everyone knows that having the qualifications to work in the office also gives the right to question why the warehouse ilk even have time or energy to speak to each other. It's really too bad we can't go back to using slave labor to make sure those scummy physical labor losers have no energy left to speak.

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Oh I'm sure it's a really hard life sitting out talking to each other the whole time as they're emptying out a trailer and texting on their phones.

If they're so envious of working in a billing environment and interfacing with 150 clients simultaneously, why didn't they apply for it? I don't have the time to **** around asking what the **** they're doing.

Nobody dragged them off the street, pushed their head to the desk and said "you're working in the warehouse." They signed themselves up VOLUNTARILY.

If you can't handle a labor job, don't work a labor job. You're paid to get the job done. Not goof off and speculate what everyone is doing. That's managements job. If they don't see a problem in what I do then I must be doing perfectly.
 
I feel horrible for my parents having to pay thousands of dollars on a lawyer for me because I did something stupid. Especially with my dad's business tanking down (according to my mom), I feel even worse for still going out of their way to spend so much money on me even though they've spent a lot for me. I understand they're going to do it because they love me, but I just can't help feeling like I screwed up the family because of this. I even have these thoughts randomly about my dad killing himself because he's such a secluded guy like me, and I've personally gone through that suicidal phase. And if he were to do it, I imagine it would be because of me. Idk, my mind hasn't really been stable ever since the stupid thing I did. (If anyone wants to know, it was petty larceny. Yeah, I know I was being stupid.)

Sounds like you should man up and take the lumps coming to you instead of draining your parents dry. Get it over with.
 
Oh I'm sure it's a really hard life sitting out talking to each other the whole time as they're emptying out a trailer and texting on their phones.

If they're so envious of working in a billing environment and interfacing with 150 clients simultaneously, why didn't they apply for it? I don't have the time to **** around asking what the **** they're doing.

Nobody dragged them off the street, pushed their head to the desk and said "you're working in the warehouse." They signed themselves up VOLUNTARILY.

If you can't handle a labor job, don't work a labor job. You're paid to get the job done. Not goof off and speculate what everyone is doing. That's managements job. If they don't see a problem in what I do then I must be doing perfectly.

I gotta say you're right if the situation is truly as you describe. When you hire yourself out, you become a willing slave to the employer and you owe an honest days work for the compensation. Maybe I'm old but there was a day not so long ago where you were upset and embarrassed if you got a personal phone call at work when there were only land lines. Now, employers are supposed to allow texting all day. What a load.
 
Ib line at the dmv...

I would be also if our DMV was open on Saturday. They closed three DMV offices here and consolidated them into one big one with lines formed to take a number. You have to wait in line to TAKE A NUMBER.

Oh I'm sure it's a really hard life sitting out talking to each other the whole time as they're emptying out a trailer and texting on their phones.

If they're so envious of working in a billing environment and interfacing with 150 clients simultaneously, why didn't they apply for it? I don't have the time to **** around asking what the **** they're doing.

Nobody dragged them off the street, pushed their head to the desk and said "you're working in the warehouse." They signed themselves up VOLUNTARILY.

If you can't handle a labor job, don't work a labor job. You're paid to get the job done. Not goof off and speculate what everyone is doing. That's managements job. If they don't see a problem in what I do then I must be doing perfectly.

It sounds like your anger should be aimed at management as well as the state of change that has occurred in the last twenty years. Its nearly impossible to fire anyone anymore unless they're stealing or show up drunk, and even then if you hadn't tried offering counselling, you'd be in hot water.

When I moved from the Midwest to the Left Coast, my first two employers drug tested me because they thought I was on speed. Once I reached a supervisory role, the guys working with me considered me the biggest prick they'd ever worked under because standing around with coffee in hand wasn't allowed.

And we considered the office people to be the worst when it came to time wasting. It sounds like both types have become lazy. I apologize for my previous post as I haven't been in the job pool for over ten years and things must've changed since then.
 
Oh I'm sure it's a really hard life sitting out talking to each other the whole time as they're emptying out a trailer and texting on their phones.

If they're so envious of working in a billing environment and interfacing with 150 clients simultaneously, why didn't they apply for it? I don't have the time to **** around asking what the **** they're doing.

Nobody dragged them off the street, pushed their head to the desk and said "you're working in the warehouse." They signed themselves up VOLUNTARILY.

If you can't handle a labor job, don't work a labor job. You're paid to get the job done. Not goof off and speculate what everyone is doing. That's managements job. If they don't see a problem in what I do then I must be doing perfectly.

Reminds me of my former business partner's philosophy that there's only 2 kinds of people. The big important corner office types and the minions doing the grunt work and never the twain shall meet.
 
Early this summer, I had a conversation with my daughter. It was a conversation I had been thinking about and dreading for 3 years. It's not the one you're thinking. She is presently 9, about to turn 10. About 3 years ago, her mother hanged herself. At the advice of a few professional people whose collective advice I revere, I chose to delay telling her the full truth of the event. I believed that she was too young to really appreciate the details of the situation in such a way that she wouldn't blame herself.

"Small children are inherently self-centered, and they always blame themselves" they said.

So I told her that her mother "hurt herself" and that her injury was to her neck, and so on. I never gave the crucial detail that she did it to herself intentionally.

So, fast forward 3 years, and this is a sharp kid, asking pointed questions. We had talked about a few prominent suicides that had been in the news, and I felt she was ready to have more understanding.

So about a week after she finished 4th grade, I took her to the cemetery and we talked about it. I gave her all the facts first, labeled as facts. Then I gave her my opinions and my thoughts about why, and all that...clearly labeled as thoughts and opinions.

She understood, and cried for a few minutes. Then we took a walk around the pond at the cemetery and looked at all the frogs, turtles, and ducks. Since then, she has seemed noticeably perkier and light-hearted. I think the uncertainty of it all was bringing her down. She seems more at peace now than before. So that's good.

(By the way, before I did this, I did consult a few child development professionals...the same ones I spoke to at the beginning, and they were all in agreement that the timing was good.)

But...and here's the ranty part...her grandmother disagrees. That is, her mother's mother. She thinks she's too young. She thinks she should have been given the task of telling her about it. She is a retired child counselor for the state, so she thinks she knows everything about children. I intentionally excluded her from my consultation circle specifically because I find that her actual, practical child-raising experience has been severely screwed up, and is in complete discord from her former professional knowledge.

She is too much of a backbiting wench to come to me with this. No. I learned about how she felt about this well after the fact, from talking to my ex-wife's other ex-husband (the one she was married to when she died). She hasn't said a peep to me about it, but I haven't seen her in person in a while, so she hasn't had many opportunities.

So...today is my daughter's birthday party, and of course the ex-MIL will be there. She is a confrontational person, so I expect her to say something to me, so I have been preparing myself mentally for this conversation. It will take all of the civility and serenity in my heart (of which there is precious little) to keep from slapping the crap out of this "woman".
 
Early this summer, I had a conversation with my daughter. It was a conversation I had been thinking about and dreading for 3 years....

Powerful post.

My first instinct is that the grandmother probably feels highly guilty, as she was the one who raised your wife. I can imagine that those events were devastating and she wants to retain whatever "control" she might have left.

Sounds like you handled it well. Glad to hear that it helped your daughter experience some level of relief.
 
Powerful post.

My first instinct is that the grandmother probably feels highly guilty, as she was the one who raised your wife. I can imagine that those events were devastating and she wants to retain whatever "control" she might have left.

Sounds like you handled it well. Glad to hear that it helped your daughter experience some level of relief.

Thanks.

That is my thought as well. If she does start the confrontation I think she will, I do intend to let her know exactly how much actual control she has over me, my child, and my parenting.
 
Reminds me of my former business partner's philosophy that there's only 2 kinds of people. The big important corner office types and the minions doing the grunt work and never the twain shall meet.

It's not my responsibility to designate who does what. My job is to get the butt in the chair, take the information from phone or fax, and put it into paper. Nothing more. I'm not important, I never stated I was. But I do know how to stay ON TASK, which is the crux of the discussion being had.

I can't, however, help but notice the way they ARE managed. There's very little other than being pointed to a task, saying "go do that", and waiting for it to finish and have the employee back for instructions. Complete, utter dependence.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, if I could get trained/certified to go out and pull tires while someone took over my position, I could give a **** less. Just never try to tell me what you THINK I'm doing when I'm not the one wasting my breath over who's doing what.
 
Thanks.

That is my thought as well. If she does start the confrontation I think she will, I do intend to let her know exactly how much actual control she has over me, my child, and my parenting.

And you do exactly that without saying anything. Just walk away. You don't have to listen to anything anyone says if you don't want to.

Your the dad, you looked into things and took care of it. You don't have to defend your actions to anyone.

You sound like a great dad so keep on doing what you're doing. :)
 
I really dislike folks who look at the website of the business I work for but don't even try to understand what they are reading, and are seemingly incapable of performing simple math problems. Was answering the phone for the ticket booth today. One caller: "I was looking at your website and may want to go on the afternoon whale watching cruise. When does the 1 o'clock three hour cruise get back in?"

Sometimes I feel like Bill Engvall..."Here's your sign."
 
Its nearly impossible to fire anyone anymore unless they're stealing or show up drunk, and even then if you hadn't tried offering counselling, you'd be in hot water.

Not necessarily. While the employment at will doctrine has eroded over the years due to a few statutes (e.g., ADA, Title VII of the Civil Rights Act, etc.) and a small body of case law, it still remains very easy to fire someone so as long as they don't have a contract. Actually, between the employment-at-will doctrine and a private sector unionization rate below seven percent (i.e., most employees cannot contest a termination through a grievance-arbitration procedure), America is probably one of the easiest modern industrialized countries in which to terminate an employee - perhaps next to China.

Edit: Unless you are talking more about inner-office politics and how those influence employment, promotion, and termination decisions. Then we're talking about two (somewhat) different things. :)

As far as the DMV, I find that the best time to hit up my local one is during the week. Of course, that's not always convenient due to work schedules and such. And they also have really strange hours. They're open until 4:15. What other organization, public or private, has business hours that end on a quarter instead of a half or full hour? :eyebrow:
 
It's not my responsibility to designate who does what. My job is to get the butt in the chair, take the information from phone or fax, and put it into paper. Nothing more. I'm not important, I never stated I was. But I do know how to stay ON TASK, which is the crux of the discussion being had.

I can't, however, help but notice the way they ARE managed. There's very little other than being pointed to a task, saying "go do that", and waiting for it to finish and have the employee back for instructions. Complete, utter dependence.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, if I could get trained/certified to go out and pull tires while someone took over my position, I could give a **** less. Just never try to tell me what you THINK I'm doing when I'm not the one wasting my breath over who's doing what.

It's been my experience that both sides think the other has it easier, screws around too much and thinks could do the other's job much better. Sometimes true, sometimes not.
 
I really dislike folks who look at the website of the business I work for but don't even try to understand what they are reading, and are seemingly incapable of performing simple math problems. Was answering the phone for the ticket booth today. One caller: "I was looking at your website and may want to go on the afternoon whale watching cruise. When does the 1 o'clock three hour cruise get back in?"

Sometimes I feel like Bill Engvall..."Here's your sign."

I really dislike folks who work on the website of a business but don't even try to understand what they are creating may be understandable to them but who are seemingly incapable of performing simple user interface testing or consider alternative methods of web design to enhance the user experience based on user reported problems :)
 
Speaking of the DMV...

We have a thing here called the Dept of Environmental Quality (DEQ). The old drill for renewing your registration consists of the car passing a DEQ test prior to going to the DMV for renewal. Then the brains decided to allow registerers to renew their registrations at the DEQ. Great!

I also need to renew my license, so I visited the DMV website and saw that they don't accept debit cards for payment, only checks (who writes those anymore?) or cash. They claim the merchant fee that is charged is too high for them to absorb. It's OK to use your debit card to renew your registration at the DEQ/DMV office though.

The powers that be have made the DMV even worse than their reputation dictates. They closed three or four smaller offices and opened one big one with a dozen workstations and only three people working. The line to get a number is an hour long. A LINE TO TAKE A NUMBER.

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