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Adam Neely Mini Documentary on AI at Berklee
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I would just like to state that I had the pleasure of meeting Adam on Tuesday night in Frankfurt. He was quite gracious and appropriately tired for a guy after a show in the middle of a European tour. Fun show.
AI discussions sure seem to bring out the best in people.
This is straight out of the playbook of dodgy businesses. Insinuating themselves strategically in order to apply leverage and influence agencies that could work against their interests. People often say "but that costs them millions" yep but the ROI makes it well worth it.
If you are a regular here, you might have noticed that the poster at odds with so many others is going through a genuinely trying time, which would be hard to bear for almost anyone. This guy has a lot of thoughtful and useful posts about actually playing the bass, which is the most important thing about our whole endeavor. He could have been a little more pleasant about things, but he's a smart guy and a serious player. So maybe cut him a little slack, and next time you (or I) are having a stormy season, perhaps step away from the internet for a while.
There is a kernel of truth to the "look what the algorithm showed me!" phenomenon that seems to have taken over the world. It can't be stopped. Everyone's brain has been colonized the hyper-temporary nonsense. I've noticed it happening to me many times. I'm much happier reading a book or learning and playing music.
Anyone who's been bitten by the satanic scourge of AI is beyond help from my estimation. The discussion has fossilized. It does feel good to know that others see the horror of it.
There is a kernel of truth to the "look what the algorithm showed me!" phenomenon that seems to have taken over the world. It can't be stopped. Everyone's brain has been colonized the hyper-temporary nonsense. I've noticed it happening to me many times. I'm much happier reading a book or learning and playing music.
Anyone who's been bitten by the satanic scourge of AI is beyond help from my estimation. The discussion has fossilized. It does feel good to know that others see the horror of it.
You make good points. But those who live in glass houses...certainly applies. Life is tough and I wish nobody ill will, but when one condescends/trolls other posts when people have legit questions, one should have a memory themselves of said events.
Right. Three pages, and containing what?
As a computer professional by day, I'm mostly following AI discussions as they pertain to software & in particular teaching/learning programming. (Part of my job is teaching programming.) In that case AI seems to be recognized as a very mixed blessing. CEOs play with AI, and in a few hours come up with software that almost does the right thing. So how hard should it be for their actual programmers to use AI to write the actual software in no time flat? But that software is never quite right, and programmers spend more time debugging it than they would otherwise just writing it in the first place.
Comparing this to the situation in music.... Music is not so easy to judge as a computer program. Even bad music has fierce adherents, so there will be a market for slop music. And I have to listen hard to recognize something as AI generated. It is not entirely right, the same way AI-generated software is not right. But the difference is more subtle, and it may not bother listeners. It's nothing compared to AI-generated software bankrupting a company.
That said, I love playing my instruments way too much, and love slaving over a notation program, turning out music that (I flatter myself to think) is unique in a way that AI will never generate. So while AI is a bother in my programming life, as an amateur musician I'm totally unaffected by it.
I work in a creative university and similar stuff is happening with us. For us, it comes down to this:
The people at the top of the academic chain are old, they live in a cultural bubble and have no idea about what AI actually is, they just think it's 'exciting new tech' so they think we must embrace it and bring it into the curriculum. They treat it like it's just a new buzzword. They also have no idea how much backlash there is against it amongst Gen Z, or about the ethics, the environmental impact or the political leanings of the people and companies behind this tech.
It's a very clear demonstration of one of the biggest problems with education at the moment. The people who are in exec leadership positions at expensive high profile universities are completely disconnected from younger generations and they only have a rudimentary understanding or connection to the subjects being taught at those universities. It's what happens when 'high profile industry leaders' are brought into university leadership positions, you end up with some random rich guy who is close to retirement age, and whose main motivation is to hoover up a giant paycheck before retiring making all the decisions at the top.
The people at the top of the academic chain are old, they live in a cultural bubble and have no idea about what AI actually is, they just think it's 'exciting new tech' so they think we must embrace it and bring it into the curriculum. They treat it like it's just a new buzzword. They also have no idea how much backlash there is against it amongst Gen Z, or about the ethics, the environmental impact or the political leanings of the people and companies behind this tech.
It's a very clear demonstration of one of the biggest problems with education at the moment. The people who are in exec leadership positions at expensive high profile universities are completely disconnected from younger generations and they only have a rudimentary understanding or connection to the subjects being taught at those universities. It's what happens when 'high profile industry leaders' are brought into university leadership positions, you end up with some random rich guy who is close to retirement age, and whose main motivation is to hoover up a giant paycheck before retiring making all the decisions at the top.
I get where you are coming from and being a regular here I will acknowledge that you are correct in his contributions. But I will say, when you find yourself regularly in a room where you are constantly griping about the party that YOU came to and you are ruining everyone else's good time in the process, then you need to realize YOU are the common denominator in that situation really causing the problem, not the party. Being a regular I can also say, this happens a lot and should stop going forward because it isn't fair or to anyone posting and contributing in their own way.
Personal accountability and humility go a loooooooooooooooooong way. Show me a tb'er who humbly admits they are going through a tough time and I will show you an entire community than will rally and support them
Or
You could say "boomer" (a tired and uninspired sling) and indicate you're fine disparaging an entire generation and lose my respect.
I see your point but please let's not rely solely on the good graces of the more mature and remove accountability for those instigating in bad faith. Just like he's attempting to have us police bad posts, I would like to have us police bad etiquette.
Notice how one us resorted to name calling while the other appealed to reason and decency. Which should you prefer we exhibit as the norm?
This was worth checking out. Very interesting statements from the Suno team re: monetization and content theft. And Berklee's insidious ties to Suno.
Well worth the 18 minutes. Thanks for posting.
Not fer nuthin, but ..
AI music startup Suno raises funding at $5.4 billion valuation | Reuters https://share.google/qTnUnsWM5fe8V1fJk
The VCs smell money. Lots and lots of money.
Exactly what Mr Neely is alluding to in the video.
AI music startup Suno raises funding at $5.4 billion valuation | Reuters https://share.google/qTnUnsWM5fe8V1fJk
The VCs smell money. Lots and lots of money.
Exactly what Mr Neely is alluding to in the video.
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